I see why the confusion. I was speaking in the order of tb, maf ,tube, filter. hence the maf after the tb. so has no one expierence a loss in low end from a cai? I know that alot of the forum members have pre 04+ gp with the maf mounted on the tb so there isn't a hole Lot of information on intake behavior of the 04 gp. I will post information on maf readings and such Monday or Tuesday with different setups to see if there are air disturbances with different locations of the maf.