when I drive the wife's minivan (09 dodge grand caravan) and switch on the high beams I'm like , what is wrong with these, they suck, seem just slightly better then the low's in my 07 gp. When I use my high's they have plenty of light output. I just don't see the point in changing the bulbs in 04+ gp's. Now if the owners of 97-03 gp have the same light output as a 09 grand caravan I can defiantly understand their need to change things.