Bill you are correct very much so. The main reason i started this thread was out the aggrevation from a couple of memebers making the same thread a few times. I was a noob to site at one time i did ask stupid questions. Once people showed me how to use the forum i stopped asking questions and started to read. There was things i still didnt understand i asked for claryfication. I am still a noob mechanical wise i will always be because you never stop learning in life.