I have to stick up for zzp here, there is nothing wrong with their shipping, and they keep developing new and improved goodies for our cars all the time. I hope everyone stops ranting about how bad they are, soon they are all thats going to be left, Intense seems to be moving away from the 3800 market and more focusing on L76 builds, their 3800pro forum is now up for sale. We are officially becoming dinosaurs![]()