Dyno Results

[matt5112]

oh you....

[BillBoost37]

Odd...when I put mine together it was like this:

Heads cost me $700
Brand new full S3 WBS IC with new meziere pump cost me $500
Gen V cost me $300
And those 1.8's I added onto the top of the cam with the added lift.. $30

Total cost $1530 ...

I still agree that the TVS looks like a better option if you want to stay with a blower. BTW...does it have some good blower whine?

[mechguy]

Sweet ancient and useless words.

[SnowFlake]

$1200 + shipping for a Stage 2 WBS intercooler... $500 plus a lot of crack? Maybe.

[MoarkatsINmuhtrailer]

mmm crack <3

[mechguy]

My favorite characteristic about this swap is that he used brainpower to find a better power adder.

As opposed to starting a thread: "What do I need for xxxWHP"

[MoarkatsINmuhtrailer]

im all for the innovation in this setup....while i agree with some, and less with others. it is wat it is. he did it, it works. great. the turbo under 350hp comment was alittle derivative but so be it.. its someones opinion. good job flake, im glad its working for ya.

[SnowFlake]

My favorite characteristic about this swap is that he used brainpower to find a better power adder.

As opposed to starting a thread: "What do I need for xxxWHP"

Thanks Mech... the biggest hurdle was getting over the "bigger is better" mentality that has been drilled into my brain across every car forum on the internet. Once logic kicked in, though... it was an easy choice.

[BillBoost37]

The prices you paid for the TVS etc weren't new retail prices either.

IC stuff from Nate Herbst. Funny part is the post was pretty old and I took a chance and made an offer.
2003 SSEI is the SN of the guy I got the 1.8 brand new HS rockers from.
Fubar aka guy from Mass is the guy I got the heads from. Stage 3's ported by PRJ.

[RegalGS98s]

Odd...when I put mine together it was like this: Heads cost me $700 Brand new full S3 WBS IC with new meziere pump cost me $500 Gen V cost me $300 And those 1.8's I added onto the top of the cam with the added lift.. $30 Total cost $1530 ... I still agree that the TVS looks like a better option if you want to stay with a blower. BTW...does it have some good blower whine?

I want to know how you got 1.8's for $30 lol, unless that's a miss-type.

[BillBoost37]

Lots of folks know that Intense sold the HS rockers as their own and there were some problems with at least one batch of the pedestals. I bought a set from Intense that was bad for $30. Sent them to HS to be fixed (free) and then traded those refurbed 1.9's to my buddy for his brand new set of HS 1.8's.

My cost $30

Before I picked up my Regal, I thought I may go turbo and it was when Intense had gone under new management and was moving between buildings. I made a deal to buy the rest of the rockers they had on hand. 7 Sets... I kept one set for myself and sold the rest to cover the cost of my set. I sold the needing to be refurbished at a cost of $70 per set shipped.


FWIW I still have a zip lock bag full of extra pedestals...HIXC here was happy I did because one of his was missing.

Call me an opportunist.

[Explicit_Spade]

How do you call a cam, headers, N*, 2.8 pullied motor just a cam-only motor, even "for short"?

You say nothing of relevance changed between 299 on the gen v and 350 on the TVS, but you changed injectors and a fuel pump. If you were out flowing the injectors AND pump on the TVS, how were you not on the Gen v?

What does your 350WHP Street Tune have for timing?

Was E-60 used on both gen V and TVS dynos?

Edit: How many PSI were you seeing on each S/C?

[SnowFlake]

How do you call a cam, headers, N*, 2.8 pullied motor just a cam-only motor, even "for short"?

You say nothing of relevance changed between 299 on the gen v and 350 on the TVS, but you changed injectors and a fuel pump. If you were out flowing the injectors AND pump on the TVS, how were you not on the Gen v?

What does your 350WHP Street Tune have for timing?

Was E-60 used on both gen V and TVS dynos?

All of the answers to these questions are in post #1.

[Explicit_Spade]

They are?

So we're all set now... The TVS has been on 2 different dynos with multiple witnesses, here's a run down of past events in a nutshell.

Mods:
GenV w/ MPS
N*/LQ4
SSAC Headers, no cat
Stock Grand Prix GT catback
Cold air/Open cone intake
XP cam with 105# springs
DHP/wideband tuned by me
I call it a cam-only L32 for short.

This setup made 299whp STD. This number was highly contested as being a sandbag number... It's true I made more uncorrected power in the dead of winter, but the corrected numbers were right around that figure. I don't remember exactly but +/- 5hp. This number was attained with a spot on tune, AFR that was locked in and on point and timing was on the cusp of what it would handle. Bottom line is that it wasn't making any more power, period.

Anyway I swapped the TVS in place of the GenV and immediately found out that I was going to need more fuel. So I upgraded to 42s. Those weren't enough so I did 60s with a racetronix pump. That setup made 350whp on a base street tune and 2.8 pulley, 3rd pull. I wasn't able to dial it in any better as I was off the dyno after 10 minutes.



Once those numbers were released, it seemed like everyone had an issue with it. Either with those numbers, the dyno reading high, me lying about something or whatever. Bottom line is that the GenV did 299 and the TVS did 350 with nothing else of relevance changed.

So now we come to today's results. The TVS setup remains the same (2.8 pulley) except for this run was open down pipe and I was using e60 (tested and confirmed) fuel. It's about 102 octane. Winterblend ethanol, what are you gonna do?

Skip my first question, because its not as much a question of the build, more a question of character.

As to the fuel injector/ pump situation, all you say is that you "immediately found out that I was going to need more fuel." This doesn't say if you were out of injector before hand, or what fuel you were running. If you did the TVS swap and the "E-60" swap at the same time, all this "TVS only" crap, isn't.

I guess this leaves my timing question to be answered with "The cusp of what it could handle"...

I like how straightforward you are with what you're trying to stand so strongly behind, and you wonder why no one believes you.

[SnowFlake]

All of your questions are answered. You just can't read apparently. You even quote the answer to a question that you pose in the same sentence.

[Zef_66]

Can you do a cost breakdown of it? Of those that you listed that the TVS wins, cost and reliability are the most important to me.

Flake, Any thought of doing a writeup? You said at some point that you were doing all this to help other people out and give them another option. There is tons of information in your threads, but it gets lost in the BS. Any chance of doing a writeup of picture and the basics, but nix the BS, and make it widely available for people who don't feel like sifting through 10 threads on 3 different forums?

[SilvaMan61]

i for one am very excited about the cost/power ratio. and the muscle purist in me is loving the S/C getting us there.

[blueguy]

*sigh*

[SnowFlake]

How do you call a cam, headers, N*, 2.8 pullied motor just a cam-only motor, even "for short"? cam-only means the engine only has a cam... obviously everything else is clearly listed.

You say nothing of relevance changed between 299 on the gen v and 350 on the TVS, but you changed injectors and a fuel pump. If you were out flowing the injectors AND pump on the TVS, how were you not on the Gen v? the injector and pump issues were irrelevant because the limiting factor was knock, not fuel. the TVS flows more air and boost before knock is a limiting factor, therefor fuel became an issue when more air was introduced.

What does your 350WHP Street Tune have for timing? Something like 16 degrees.

Was E-60 used on both gen V and TVS dynos? No. This is abundantly clear in every post. I've gone over exactly what each dyno run consisted of at least 68 times.

Edit: How many PSI were you seeing on each S/C? 11-12psi on the GenV. 14-15psi on the TVS. 11-12psi on the TVS with open down pipe.

Everything you just asked has been gone over COUNTLESS times.

[TLSheff]

If you will permit me, before this thread goes under and is locked... again. Ima thread jack for 1 second

CM690 Computer Case... I have the same one mwuahahaha, love it lol

Okay, continue the epic battle of P3N1S vs Wit.