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  1. #1 Choosing Injectors -Mathematical Info 
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    Injector Selection


    As you add larger heads, cams and other power-adders, it's also
    necessary to increase your fuel output. Choosing an injector for the
    proper application is relatively easy, however, it's different for a naturally
    aspirated engine versus a supercharged engine. To calculate the proper
    injector size you need to know the Brake Specific Fuel Consumption
    (BSFC). The BSFC is how much fuel is used per horsepower per hour. For
    a naturally aspirated engine, that figure falls between .45 - .5 BSFC.
    Supercharged engines need more fuel, so the figure is slightly higher
    at .55 - .60. When you're doing your calculations, remember that you
    don't want the injector to run at 100%. A safe buffer zone and recognized
    standard is to let the injector run at no more than 80%. The lower the
    BSFC number, the more efficient your assuming the engine is. So, unless
    you've spent time on the dyno and know what your BSFC is, use the
    higher BSFC number for your application and calculations to be safe.

    Injector size = (HP x BSFC) / (number in injectors x duty cycle)

    Example: Choose an injector for a 350 horsepower naturally aspirated V8 engine.

    (350 hp x .5 BSFC) / (8 inj x .8 duty cycle) = 175 / 6.4 = 27.34

    In this example, the answer was 27.34 for an injector size. If you've been researching injectors you'll
    know that this falls between our 24 lb and 30 lb injector selection. The 30 lb injectors would be the better
    choice, versus buying the 24's and cranking up the fuel pressure. If you already have 24 lb injectors, you
    can always try increasing the fuel pressure to attempt to feed the engine. Most of us are always looking
    for the next gadget to add horsepower and the 30 lb injectors would give you a little play room while
    meeting the needs of the current engine. If you put in an injector that is too large for the combination,
    the vehicle will have a hard time running correctly. Once you get as high as a 42 lb injector, you may find
    you need a custom chip burned or an engine management system. Don't forget to match your Mass Air
    sensor calibration with the proper injector.
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    Injector Horsepower Limits


    To find the approximate horsepower limit of a particular set of injectors we can use the following formula:

    Horsepower limit = (Injector size x number of cylinders x duty cycle) / BSFC)

    Example: What is the approximate horsepower limit of a 24 lb injector in a supercharged V8 engine?

    (24 x 8 x .8) / .6 = 153.6 / .6 = 256

    So, 256 horsepower is a safe limit for the 24 lb injectors if you have a supercharged engine, assuming a
    maximum 80% duty cycle. A similar naturally aspirated engine with 24 lb injectors would have a safe limit
    of 307 horsepower (BSFC of .5). Remember that these figures are simple mathematical equations. What
    you or the next person can get away with all depends on your engine design, camshaft, timing, etc...
    Most of us will never get an exact calculation for the combination we have, but the formulas will get us
    into the ball park we need to be in.


















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    Fuel Pressures


    Some people think that cranking the fuel pressure on an injector will get them the extra fuel they need.
    However, it's not really that simple. For starters, the engines computer will make every effort to correct
    any fuel that you add or subtract that differs from it's look-up tables while running in closed loop. When
    running in closed loop, the computer is constantly monitoring the oxygen sensors (O2's) and adapting to
    the O2 readings. The computer will only compensate to a certain percentage. The computer is designed
    to adapt, learn, and create new tables based on what it learns during closed loop. This also allows the
    computer to adjust for sensor wear over the years, small engine problems, etc.. At wide open throttle
    (WOT), the computer is in open loop and the O2 readings are not part of the fuel ratio calculations. At
    WOT, the computer uses the learned adaptive tables from closed loop to kind of guess at the proper air
    fuel ratio. This is one reason why tuning is very important.

    The Mustang injectors are a high-impedance (13.5-19 ohm) saturation type injector that produces a
    cone-shaped spray pattern. Increasing the fuel pressure will slow the injector's response time and alter
    its calibration to the mass air meter.

    Manifold pressures also effect the nozzle outlet pressure of the injector. (Nozzle outlet pressure is also
    referred to as the Delta Pressure). The outlet pressure of the injector must remain constant. This
    includes while your idling with 18" vacuum or under 12 lbs of boost from your supercharger. These forces
    are constantly pushing and pulling at the injector. So under vacuum, that vacuum pull is actually helping
    pull fuel from the injector. Under boost, the force is trying to prevent the fuel from being released from
    the injector. Most of Fords injectors are rated at approximately 39 psi operating pressure. If you've ever
    hooked up a fuel pressure regulator to the rail of a stock Mustang you should see approximately 30 - 32
    psi.

    Nozzle outlet pressure = fuel rail pressure - manifold pressure

    To calculate nozzle outlet pressures with vacuum you need convert your vacuum reading to a
    pressure (psi) figure. To do this we use the following conversion:

    1 psi of atmospheric pressure = 2.036 inches of mercury (HG)

    Naturally aspirated example: How do you get 39 psi at the injector if you're only seeing 30 psi at the
    rail? Naturally aspirated engine with roughly 18" of vacuum at idle.

    First, convert the 18" of vacuum to a pressure reading (psi).

    18 / 2.036 = 8.84 psi

    However, this is vacuum, so your 8.84 psi is a negative draw from the injector which is pulling more
    fuel from the injector. Your figure should be:
    - 8.84 psi

    30 psi at the fuel rail - -8.84 manifold pressure = 30 psi + 8.84 psi

    = 38.84 psi (39 psi) at the injector


    To calculate nozzle outlet pressures while under boost conditions, the same formula applies. However,
    since you're not under vacuum, there is no need to change the manifold pressure to a pressure reading.
    The assumption is made that your fuel pressure regulator will increase fuel at a rate of 1 psi per 1psi of
    manifold pressure.

    Supercharged example: You have a supercharger pushing 12 psi of boost into the manifold. What
    fuel pressure do you need to overcome the boost pressure pushing against the injector? Your
    injector is rated at 39 psi.

    To keep the 39 psi rating of the injector we plug the numbers into the calculation:

    Nozzle outlet pressure (39psi) = X (fuel rail pressure) - 12 (psi boost)

    X = 39 + 12

    X = 51 psi at the fuel rail

    So, to keep the nozzle outlet pressure constant (Delta pressure), your fuel rail setting should be set at 51
    psi while under 12 psi of boost.
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    Fuel Pressures and How the Fuel Injector Ratings Change


    The last factor in this is how increasing the fuel pressure effects the theoretical size of the injector. For
    instance, if we have a 24 lb injector, rated at 39 psi, and we increase the fuel pressure to 50 psi, we can
    determine the approximate size injector our 24 lb injector is now simulating.

    ________________________________
    New injector flow rate = _/ new pressure / pressure at the rated flow x rated flow

    _______
    = _/ 50 / 39 x 24
    ____
    = _/ 1.28 x 24

    = 1.13 x 24

    = 27

    Our 24 lb injector, at 50 psi, is now acting like a 27 lb injector. The same math applies if you drop the fuel
    pressure from the rated flow of 39 psi. Your injector would act like a smaller injector.













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    Or whenever your scanner says you are over 85% duty cycle, its probably time to upgrade.

    Not to mention e-85 needs bigger injectors due to needing ~30% more fuel.

    Facts state 99% of GPF members will see the math necessary and just leave this thread.
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    Rofl, everyone waits until their idc is 100% or higher it seems.

    No one trusts 80% as being valid.
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