when i tuned my car with out a wb, i went off the trims, killed off 4º kr, when i got a wb i was in the low 11's. so its pretty reliable if you ask me. not optimum clearly but it works.
ive also remote tuned a few guys, and a few of them had some really messed up trims. zzp tune with a N * is not a good buy, once again going off just trims, he said it feels like it just gained 30 HP. granted, he was flooding out big time. and hes still kr free.