Thread: Who do you trust?

Hamilton is iffy. Can we add Franklin and Adams to the list above the line?

For the record, Obama isn't as bad as the guys he's lined up with, but he's a horrible leader. He's 100% clueless and just smiles while he signs "feel good" legislature that increases the national debt, puts further strain on the economy, and erodes our rights.

Not a damn person

Originally Posted by RooK

Hamilton is iffy. Can we add Franklin and Adams to the list above the line?

For the record, Obama isn't as bad as the guys he's lined up with, but he's a horrible leader. He's 100% clueless and just smiles while he signs "feel good" legislature that increases the national debt, puts further strain on the economy, and erodes our rights.

You do realize the president of the United States has very little say is what really goes on, right. It does not matter who is president anymore.

He still signs the bills and encourages congress and committees. I know exactly what he does, but he has the hand to help initiate things... like his recent group to look into gun control. Also, God forbid he does executive orders.

Originally Posted by Fivefingerdeathpunch

You do realize the president of the United States has very little say is what really goes on, right. It does not matter who is president anymore.

Last I checked there still was checks and balances in our government. The president can easily veto bills and create executive orders.

Lol... I blame all the guys in congress. I blame all the democrats for making stupid bills they want passed. I blame the republicans for not trying to talk and stone-walling everything.

People would rather scream and yell than talk. Stupid crap like filibusters are proof of people abusing the system. I can't believe these people make more yearly than the average US annual income. It seems the only thing they can agree on is increasing their pay.

Sam Adams never let me down before

Originally Posted by Logan541

Only person I trust is the guy I shave in the morning and as a friend pointed out every now and then I grow a beard, so what does that say

Quit shaving your boyfriend?

The longest standing REPUBLIC lasted a little more than 500 years but was rotten to its core we'll before then. Yes, the Roman so called republic that had an Emporer... Fell from WITHIN and not from the barbarians beating down the gates of Rome!

Our political system is broken, period and we just await its fall, may take decades or centuries, but for certain, in it's current form, will fail! The picture you post is a bit ridiculous and hypercrapola, but truth be told is good for bar room banter.

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
Cesare Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishment, quoted by Thomas Jefferson in Commonplace Book, 1774-1776

[I]The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals...t establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.
Albert Gallatin, letter to Alexander Addison, October 7, 1789

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? It is feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
A Pennsylvanian, The Pennsylvania Gazette, February 20, 1788


[W]hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.
Federal Farmer, Antifederalist Letter, No.18, January 25, 1778

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.
Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, 1787

People attempt to place into today's terms our history and pervert them, but the lessons are there for all with open eyes to see. Our Republic will stand only while the People retain power over the Federal Government, not by vote of conscience but by the existence of force! Slowly over the last decade (since 9-11) there have been sweeping measures through Congress and the Executive which have eroded our voice and power through legislations and Executive Orders and the militancy of its application unheralded in our brief history. If you are sleeping you probably missed all this! Yeah, the media will blind all the simpleton's and make them parrot prophets and many of our moronic elected representatives which spew venom otherwise, but it is in our inalienable right and conscience that we protect our liberties through our right to arm ourselves against WHOMEVER shall appear to take them away!

How prone all human institutions have been to decay; how subject the best-formed and most wisely organized governments have been to lose their check and totally dissolve; how difficult it has been for mankind, in all ages and countries, to preserve their dearest rights and best privileges, impelled as it were by an irresistible fate of despotism.
James Monroe, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 10, 178

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin - 1775

Our Nation is In trouble, it's foundation eroding and crumbling, the picture you posted need not contain those despots! But should picture some of our current legislators as they wish to accomplish the same. Our Nation is currently available to the highest bidder and only those who's lives stand in affluence beyond the populace's dreams can be elected, influenced by the Capital it requires. The main body of Congress has become insolvent that it's ineffectual and corrupted, regardless of political affiliation they're all in it together. These are the dangers our founding fathers had foreseen as it is not without historical precedent. We are currently being Ruled albeit without a King!


Arms! Our Arms are the least of our worries to be sure!


Sorry for the rant, but we should all be students of history now, as if we fail to learn from it, we are doomed to repeat it!

^ You might want to double check your math and history before posting. Western Rome the one which i assume you are referring to fell not only due to its leadership, but was attacked by Germanic tribes who wanted their land. It was a combination of things not just from its government. Eastern Rome didn't fall until 1453 so from a history stand point the empire lasted for more than 500 years. And you didn't rant, its obvious you copied and pasted a bunch of ****.