Thread: g/f's V6 Camaro is whoopin me

Okay, so im not ashamed to lose to my girl by any means, she's amazing and her Camaro is tha sh*t. But...the problem is its a stock V6 camaro, no mods so far other than a few drivability things (cleaned the 80K TB, seafoam, etc.) and she's puttin my GP to shame.You can see the mods i have in my sig. Im just confused as to why an 80+K mile series II 3800 Camaro can beat a 28K 3800 series III 05 GP WITH top end mods? I know there are a lot of factors to consider, such as driver error/timing, gearing, mph when the "race" was iniated, etc. But every time we've run i have been dead even with her front bumper from the start and by the end of the "run" she's pulled a carlength and a half on me. We usually go from a 40mph roll, i mash it and go WOT and stay even with her until it shifts again (dunno if that would be the upshift or downshift, im still a n00b to shifting lingo) and then my RPM kinda hangs around 4500 and SLOWLY gets to 5600 as she's pulling away from me. I mean, it's not like a massacre or anything, i stay within a car length the whole time, maybe it's just timing?...Or maybe i need a PCM to raise my shift points? Any input guys? Sorry if this belongs in the Kills section, but i figured since i wasnt the one doing the killing this section may be more appropriate

^ thanks Sabre. would RWD vs FWD make any difference? Also, im running with an SES light on because of the o/r DP, would that affect anything?? Ive also heard about "Torque Abuse Mode" or something, whats the deal with that??

Originally Posted by GTPJOE90

gett a GTP and your problem is solved i killd my buddies v6 96 camaro with a full exhaust system from borla

...says my wallet. I know, i know, but im not so sure how forced induction will afffect driveabilility or the reliability of my car. I have the n/a 3800 with a higher compression, iirc, and supercharging a high compression engine, if you dont know what youre doing, can make it go BOOM. And I dont know what im doing when it comes to that,lol. And then you have to switch out the fuel rails and injectors, get a new PCM and UIM, etc. Believe me, i would LOVE to have a Gen V s/c, even an M90, but until then im gonna try to squeeze every ounce of power (or lack thereof) from this n/a..."you gotta pay if you wanna play" i guess....

right, right. lol, i actually meant to write Gen III rather than M90 but my fingers type faster than my brain thinks. i had the right idea though. So is there really anything more i can do with n/a before going supercharged? Maybe some 1.9's or a cam i guess?

Originally Posted by Sabrewings

RWD vs FWD only makes a difference on the launch. If no tires were spinning or anything it makes no difference. SES light for a DP won't change anything. Torque abuse on the 04+ GPs is fairly heavy I hear, but I don't have any first hand experience with it.

Nope, no wheel spin. Went from a roll, so no such luck. I know you said you dont have much experience with it, but do you think Torque Abuse mode would be an all-the-time thing or just when someone goes WOT from a stop or if there is excessive wheel spin?

isn't it for every 10lbs of weight you shed you pick up a tenth of a second in the 1/4 mile? or something like that...anyway, shedding weight isn't in the forecast anytime soon, and ive DEFINITELY been considering the aftermarket PCM route. But this is the second mention ive heard of an Overkill PCM for the 04+ GPs, is this the only company that does 04 and up? And isnt this a Canadian company? Not that i have anything against Canada or Will, they're both great, just curious... Also, tell me more about this gearing dilemma i seem to be having. is there any way to swap out gears or is it a serious internal transmission or differential mod? Thanks for the help guys, youre an asset to n00bs everywhere

...and if I were to go the supercharged route im sure i would need different gearing, right? Or at LEAST an HD diff?

You should get that PCM and some more upgrades. Until then...

"You're slower than your car..."

Sincerely,

The g/f "whoopin'" you.

Originally Posted by Sabrewings

If she's that into cars, she can be my g/f anytime.

Whoops, no e-cock-blocking... sorry.

lol, Sabre...youre too much bro. haha. Yea, she definitely knows her stuff, i really lucked out finding an amazing girl like her. has the personality to match, too, but i didnt start this post to advertise my g/f, don't wanna get off on a rant or i won't shutup...lol. Anyway, thanks for all the input guys, i figured the Torque Management played a big role in the 04+ GPs. I thought it seemed a lil slower that 97-03 GT GPs that ive driven before. Okay, threadjacking my own thread, can someone tell me how to get around the problem of substituting 04+ GP's returnless fuel lines with fuel rail and injectors that will work with a Gen III M90? iirc, the 97-03 GTP fuel line setup is a returnable type. Would I have to use an 04+ GTP fuel setup?