Thread: Military Pay (EPICCCC)

Originally Posted by SlowNA06

This guy was saying he was educated and experienced enough to start making $80k/yr. in D.C. over a decade ago. We're talking 10-15 years experience, at least a master's degree in Information Systems. He knows dick about qualifications, or the Airforce glossed over his resumé when they hired him and he should be getting paid a ****-ton more. Assuming he was not as remotely as qualified as he thought he was, he was unemployable in the field anywhere BUT the military. He'd have probably be making minimum wage in tier 1 support ("help desk"). That's about $10k/yr. before tax. (remember, it's $5.15/hr in 2000) So, even at his listed annual income of $13,413, he's still coming out on top at $7/hr. - more than he would likely get in the private sector without proper education/certs.

He was A1C at E-3 pay grade and not being shot at much in Ogden, Utah. For those wondering, an E-3 would be starting now at over $20k/yr.

Additionally, I would like to point out that this "letter" is somewhat shorter than the original and been poorly edited to "modernize" it. (Ex: "Saudi" has been changed to "AFGHANISTAN")

Also, Cindy Williams was a senior research fellow at MIT when she wrote the article in 2000 and held the position of Assistant Director for National Security in the Congressional Budget Office from '94-'97 under Clinton, not Obama.

For those still confused at this point, this is a decade-old issue that has been resolved ten years ago by not being passed. Let it die.

Original Article

Your chainletter can go **** itself. I hate these.

wow good to see at least one person on here had their eyes open. There's a difference between patriotism and BLIND patriotism.

wow all informaion on a subject is ussually useful, however the issues discussed still exist but I wont defame any American service member even if he is in Ogden Utah pushing paper he is still part of protecting the freedoms we enjoy on a daily basis. Anyone on here who has served understands that, those who havnt enjoy the fact the we do!

Originally Posted by 02GrandPrixIraqVet

Alright well most people know who I am on the fourm here or have at least ran into me in the chat. I'm home now and I have been to both Iraq and Afghanistan, Im not going to vent about that becasue I really have no need for that. However I will say this the entire armed forces of every single branch need to do this.................

CUT TROOPS!!!! NOT BENIFITS AND PAY!!!

The Army Times ran an article about this not to long ago I seen it about a week before I left Afghanistna.

Here is the point as short and cut to the chase as I can be. If your not able to pass a damn PT test, (which an overwhelming number in the National Guard can't its almost disgusting!) If you are Non-Deployable IE medical or physical reasons for longer than 1 fiscal year ex. Oct 1 to Oct 1. Or if you cannot maintain the basic skills to maintain your position in your unit EX. WLC MOS BNOC ect. schools. I have zero sorrow for you and you NEED to take the uniform OFF and find a civilain job!!! Thanks for your time and service but its time to go!!

Doing this would open the door for others to move up the ranks that deserve the position and also all the way down to the bottom of the totem pole for New enlisties to jobs that are currently overmaned.

CUT TROOPS NOT BENIFITS !!!!

Wisdom. our armed forced would be cut dramaticly if they did this.

70% of the Reserve and Guard would be kicked out. and anyone with any medical reason and profiles would be out.

Originally Posted by 02GrandPrixIraqVet

CUT TROOPS NOT BENIFITS !!!!

Spend 5 mins walking around Kandahar AirField and you will realize this statement is true. too many degenerates. however if you happen to see any body wearing a 2nd Cav (Dragoons) patch, specifically L troop (varsity since 1862) this statement would be FALSE

Originally Posted by SlowNA06

I pointed it out because of the two posts above it - though they may not have been referring to the letter's author. As for comments on his character, I hardly consider a little criticism to be defamation - even so it was merely to demonstrate that a poorly penned (and thereafter abused) letter should not be emailed to everyone in your address book as some kind of mystic truth. I am sorry if you found it harsh.

Didnt find it harsh at all man there are two sides to every story but only those who have busted thier hump for this great nation in the worst of conditions understand the dispair when decisions like the one in question are made about what they should merit in the form of pay. I served four of the greatest years of my life in the United States Marine Corps and I didnt do it for the money. Even though lower enlisted pay isnt the best in the world you dont have any living expenses on base if you use the chow hall even your meals are provided. The benefits after leaving active service paid for my education and gave me some spending cash while I was attending. So again I would like to thank every member of any branch for thier dedicated service and the protection of the freedom I enjoy everyday.

Semper Fidelis,
David