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09-09-2009
What did you think?
Overall, I think he said lot more good than bad. There are still a lot of details to be worked out, and I think he was overoptimistic about the savings from reducing inefficiency. We'll see what Congress does in the next few weeks.
I was, more than anything, sorely disappointed with the Republican response. I'd like to see a truly bipartisan bill, but the utter failure of the Republican party to compromise makes that unlikely.
09-09-2009
Great speech. As a Canadian I hope that you guys get this bill passed through and stop listening to the Republican shills on Fox News.
The Republican response was a joke. The guy has been sued three times for malpractice. Great vetting.
09-09-2009
I only caught the first couple of min the had to run to the auto parts store, I heard that he was boo'd at one point by the democratic party, what was that all about?
09-09-2009
*Disclaimer* Don't read this is you love governments.Or are sovereign.
The governments, and I mean all of them are corrupt I am not picking on the united states. But Obama is nothing, all your change all your BS no one realizes it doesn't matter whether you vote republican or democrat you are just voting in another power elites puppet. It doesn't matter what he said or didn't say whatever is status quo is going to stay that way and any "change" is going to make more money for the power elite of the world.
(I will go into further detail if people want)
09-09-2009
Finally someone says it The government is bs all government crooked And the pres is nothing more then a glorified front man
09-09-2009
Effing right man, Obama makes no decisions and neither does his Cabinets. And did all of you know that income tax is a useless tax? Or how about that 60% of the worlds money is owned by 6% of the population and privatized banks were the worst idea ever and that is what started all of this? Or how about as long as "America" is borrowing money you all will be in debt for the rest of your lives but none of us will ever see the day when we are all truly free in fact quite the opposite.Originally Posted by wickedintent79
09-13-2009
ZEITGIEST. called itEffing right man, Obama makes no decisions and neither does his Cabinets. And did all of you know that income tax is a useless tax? Or how about that 60% of the worlds money is owned by 6% of the population and privatized banks were the worst idea ever and that is what started all of this? Or how about as long as "America" is borrowing money you all will be in debt for the rest of your lives but none of us will ever see the day when we are all truly free in fact quite the opposite.
09-13-2009
Seen it time and time again, but this stuff has been around before zeitgeist was ever put out. Go watch the freedom movie it's pretty good too.
09-09-2009
i have a vid called peaches its about when the federal reserve got started and so on kinda shows when things got started for complete failure
Im in no way a smart guy towards politics and such but It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see something is very wrong with the us government The government bought banks basically all of them weather they needed it or not then theres the GM thing What business does the government have in private corparations NONE
and if any one thinks obama woke up one morning and went the lets go control some banks and stuff then your wrong
09-09-2009
I'm not a big government supporter, nor am I a big Obama supporter. I don't believe that government has my best interest at heart. I do, however, believe that an educated constituency (which is something we sorely lack in the USA) is essential to making it in their best interests to represent ours.
Consequently, I prefer to discuss and support ideas over people. Most of the ideas brought up will protect patients' rights, make healthcare more accessible, and may (here's mainly where I'm unconvinced) reduce costs.
This isn't a certain other GP forum. Let's try to have a civil discussion on the actual points in Obama's speech or the mechanics of the many bills floating around Congress. The current system is broken. Government played a large part in driving up costs in the last century, but it's not possible to simply turn back the clock. Ignoring the problem won't fix it, nor will ad hominem attacks, straw men, and just plain nonsense.
09-09-2009
anyone here some yell thats a lie when he said illegal won't get healthcare
09-09-2009
Yea a senator yelled it Joe Wilson r-s.c.
Thats my whole problem with a univeral health care plan if i pay more taxes I sure as hell dont want it to go for ilegals and or homeless and bums
Its bad enough now paying into the system that doesnt give any back to me
All in All I agree with some points but I doubt it will fly
09-10-2009
Unfortunately, you already pay for illegals (and anybody else without insurance) when they go to the ER. I wish it would change, but it's not going to.
Obama stated his plan, but it's up to Congress to pass the bill. Unfortunately, I also believe that the part about not covering illegals, and the part about the government option (if there is one) being self-sustaining will be left out of the final bill.
Who do we blame for that? Obama doesn't vote, so he really has little control over what they give him to sign. The Democrats need to say they passed healthcare reform before the 2010 elections, so he's not going to veto any bill they give him.
Its up to the Republicans to negotiate to keep these things in the bill. Unfortunately, most of them are too busy fearmongering and disrespecting the President (completely unbecoming a member of Congress, IMO).
09-10-2009
I'm all for reforming a ridiculous health care system, but anyone who thinks a government run health care system is a good idea has their head up their ass. Been to the DMV lately? I have many Canadian friends who tell me what a bad idea it is. That and their socialized vehicle insurance system. Look into it... not good.
Last edited by Sabrewings; 09-10-2009 at 01:39 AM.
09-10-2009
Obama's plan isn't a government run healthcare system. There is a universal single-payer bill in Congress (HR 676), but it's been reintroduced for years and has never passed.
Obama wants the public option, but many Congressional Democrats don't. If it is in the final bill, he wants it to be a small plan competing with private insurance, and not be mandatory (supposedly). He also stated that it would be required to be self-sustaining, but I doubt that will make it into the final bill.
09-10-2009
I dont like One Big Ass Mistake America (Obama) sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo im just going to pray something good will come from him!
09-10-2009
Screw Obama, and all of them.
09-10-2009
Every One is sayin Obama this and Obama that
Was bush any better and so on down the line
The president is a glorified Front man Come on they dont write there own Speech's
They are mearly the face of america
Mccain wouldnt have been any better
As far as illegals Go I have a very very strong stand point on them and will never be swayed They can get basically free health care now and I cant There is something completely wrong about the system in place now.
We see our selfs as this great nation we dont make anything here any more we depend on china,japan and too many other foriegn lands for things we need here
The us dollar isnt even worth the paper its printed on 1$ us only = 13 peso's thats freaking sad
This is why i dont like poltics ITS ALL FUC%ED UP
09-13-2009
x2. The President is in the public eye, so he's easy to blame, but it's Congres who passes the laws and approves the budget. If we want real change, we have to start by replacing our Congressmen (preferably with anyone who has neither a D nor an R after their name).
09-11-2009
i work at a hospital in a cardiac intensive care unit, and i have to be honest.. im not looking forward to this bill. i do not think that gov run healthcare is a good idea and i think that the medical field will suffer greatly form this.. not only in the care received but also in the loss of the research going on etc
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