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    2010 Chevy Camaro LT -- chicagotribune.com


    PLYMOUTH, Mich.—Three years since the concept bowed at the 2006 Detroit Auto Show, the Camaro coupe hits showrooms this week.

    "We have 14,000 sold dealer orders with the money in the bank," says Chevy general manager Ed Peper, who's confident the return of the long-hood, short-deck sports coupe that bowed for the 1967 model year will be a success despite a down market. "Camaro is a shot in the arm needed to make people feel good."

    Bob Lutz, General Motors' vice chairman and Camaro's biggest cheerleader, originally forecast sales of 100,000 annually. But, considering that was when the industry was selling 17.5 million vehicles annually, rather than the 9 million now, even half that "would be on the heavy side," Peper says.

    Chevrolet introduced the Camaro family — LS, LT, RS and SS — to the media last week. And each is swift and sweet, regardless of whether it's packing the 3.6-liter, 304-horsepower V-6 or 6.2-liter, 420-h.p. (manual, 400 h.p. automatic) V-8. Either can be teamed with 6-speed manual or automatic.
    V-6 or V-8, both have good pop, moving the needle quickly from zero to 80 m.p.h., with the V-8 doing it in the blink of any eye. Both also have great exhaust notes.

    The V-6 has enough muscle to climb inclines without puffing and battle sports coupe heavyweights Ford Mustang and Dodge Challenger. Heck, it's only 11 h.p. shy of Mustang's V-8.

    And, as one colleague noted, if you need more than 304 h.p., where the heck are you going? With either engine, Camaro is limber and responsive, manual or automatic.

    Enthusiasts will favor the V-8 with the smooth manual. The V-6 with its equally smooth automatic will be the volume car, Chevy said.

    Though billed as a performance sports coupe, the V-6 is rated at 17 m.p.g. city/29 m.p.g. highway with manual, 18/29 automatic; the V-8 16/24 manual, 16/25 automatic. The V-8, featuring a faux engine slot in the hood, shuts down 4 cylinders when not needed to conserve fuel.

    With V-6 and 18- or 19-inch (LS-LT) all-season radials, the LT suspension delivers a jostle-free ride. The performance-tuned FE3 suspension on the V-8 has firmer springs/shocks and Pirelli 20-inch summer radials (20-inch winter tires also sold by Pirelli) help the SS scoot into and out of serpentine curves. But the ride is stiffer, and SS gets the jitters over tar marks. Yet in either car, the ride won't rattle teeth as its predecessors did in the '60s and '70s.

    Despite great looks, performance and mileage, Camaro has shortcomings. Fun is not one of them, unless sentenced to the back seat, where there's no room for feet, legs or knees. But that's the least of your concerns, considering your melon won't fit either.

    And the unusual and narrow, top-opening trunk lid exposes a small space below, though the rear seat-back does fold to open the cabin for luggage. Those are minor issues, however, compared to the small sideview mirrors that put aerodynamics ahead of vision.

    No Z-28 version as yet, but stay tuned. No 4-cylinder either, thanks to 29 m.p.g. highway from the V-6. But Gene Stefanyshyn, Camaro vehicle line executive, said that with a 35 m.p.g. fuel-economy standard coming for 2020, don't rule out a 4-banger.

    And, sadly, no convertible, which has been delayed at least a year by the supplier's bankruptcy filing.

    The base LS starts at $22,445, the LT at $23,880 and the SS at $30,245. Stability/traction control, anti-lock brakes and side-curtain air bags are standard. Add $900 for sunroof, $995 to $1,185 for automatic and $2,700 to $3,100 to move up to leather seats, console gauges, Bluetooth connectivity and USB interface, steering-wheel audio controls and remote start.

    Though an obvious Mustang/Challenger foe, Peper downplays a new pony-car race.

    "We're looking outside that circle because to be successful; Camaro has to appeal to a wider range of buyers from all segments, including Scion tC or Honda Civic owners and not just former Camaro loyalists."

    Another plus, says IHS Global Insight analyst Aaron Bragman: "It comes out at a time when not everyone wants to drive a Prius."
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    It is badass, I wish I could afford one. Can't wait to see them rolling around my city
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    cheaper then a GP was, Cheaper then the G8

    Hell an SS for under 33K
    V6 for 22K

    Im going to check out a few chevy dealers next tuesday just to try and test drive one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDevil View Post
    cheaper then a GP was, Cheaper then the G8

    Hell an SS for under 33K
    V6 for 22K

    Im going to check out a few chevy dealers next tuesday just to try and test drive one.
    Nice anyone know when they will be available in Canada?
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    Nice, good job GM. I like em.
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    still a slow pig of a car regardless of how much power it makes. that and the challenger are just a complete waste in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio248 View Post
    still a slow pig of a car regardless of how much power it makes. that and the challenger are just a complete waste in my opinion.
    completely agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio248 View Post
    still a slow pig of a car regardless of how much power it makes. that and the challenger are just a complete waste in my opinion.
    424HP stock is pretty respectable. Not to mention TT kits are already in development for the LS3. 1000HP will make anything fast...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrewings View Post
    424HP stock is pretty respectable. Not to mention TT kits are already in development for the LS3. 1000HP will make anything fast...
    1000HP = NEEDS SLICKS!!

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    bio you so crazy....
    we will be getting a silver one with black stripes at Tune Time as soon as GM ships it.
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    youd probably need 600 hp to get that thing to be quick.
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    They are pretty but kinda remind me of the new chargers...eww...but still nice!!!
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    I had one ordered and could have it next week but alas I cannot afford it anymore nor do I have room for it

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    I wouldn't be talking **** about a car thats not readily out there yet. Fact of the matter is, the mid range model would probably outrun most the bolt on cars here. Not dogging our cars, just making a statement. Don't ever under estimate and LSx series motor, they'll surprise you heavy or not. A TB SS is a wolf in sheeps clothing for example even stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Indian View Post
    I wouldn't be talking **** about a car thats not readily out there yet. Fact of the matter is, the mid range model would probably outrun most the bolt on cars here. Not dogging our cars, just making a statement. Don't ever under estimate and LSx series motor, they'll surprise you heavy or not. A TB SS is a wolf in sheeps clothing for example even stock.
    It would be nice for them to slip a severely underrated LSx piece into a few dressed down vehiculars.
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    I don't care if the new camaro is the fastest car in the world, still wouldn't buy one. Its probably the ugliest car ive ever seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 99prixgt View Post
    I don't care if the new camaro is the fastest car in the world, still wouldn't buy one. Its probably the ugliest car ive ever seen.
    I don't know about that...the Charger/Magnum were pretty damn close
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    Quote Originally Posted by 99prixgt View Post
    I don't care if the new camaro is the fastest car in the world, still wouldn't buy one. Its probably the ugliest car ive ever seen.
    Seriously? I thought that was any GP from the late 70's.
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    they're nice and i'd drive one
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    I read somewhere that they put one on a scale and it came out to 37##. I dont know about you, but thats about what my GTP weighs in at.

    put that into a run-of-the-mill trap speed calculator with the 350ish hp they got from dynoing one, and it roughly puts out a high 12 low 13 sec time. I wouldnt call it fast, but I definitely wouldn't call it slow.

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