Thread: Certain Feds want to jack up fuel taxes.

Well I dont want to sound like a jerk, but Im going to say it anyway. Stating all that here does nothing. Nothing short of a major major union of voices shouting at DC until the results desired are achieved. I see many times people will come together on an issue but they fall off after it looks like something will be done. To get results you have to be unified, of one voice and stay locked in, unrelenting until the goal is achieved.

I have never understood the governments propensity to raise taxes when the economy is falling off. Yep, thats going to help get it going, take more money out of my pocket. You want me to spend to boost the economy, cut taxes and allow me to have the money to spend not tax me two or three times. I pay taxes when I get paid, I pay taxes when I spend, I pay taxes when I save.

So, if you want change then it has to be unified, loud, focused and organized. The government is a business. It takes in money and provides services, so it should be ran as such and as long as the American people allow and I do mean ALLOW the government to do as it has been, nothing will ever change.

Anyway, thats my thoughts on it.

Originally Posted by Reptile

whether it gets consideration as a legitimate concern is up to the politician.

I see eye to eye with you on just about everything except this point. Its not up to the politician. We MUST remember this and recognize this. It may sound naive, but they ARE employees of ours. They are voted to their position for a pre-determined amount of time and at the end of that time they come up for a performance review. If it is agreed they have done a good job, they get to keep their job, if not, well you get the picture.

We have so totally lost sight that this is a government OF the people BY the people and FOR the people. Because of such loss of sight we have allowed them to have their way with us. We put employees of the local convenience store through a more rigorous screening process than we do the people we elect to authority and put in control of not only the money we send them but hand them the authority to direct the path this nation takes.

Until we place a higher value on our vote, screen the candidates more thoroughly (Im not talking about just hearing what is told to us in the news or even debates), decide that we will take stands that we cannot be moved from until our goals are accomplished, we should not expect any change.

This is one thing I am passionate about. Those people in the local and federal governments are put there by US. If we arent happy with the job they are doing, the decisions they are making, the way the conduct their lives or whatever, it is OUR responsibility to participate in the process and affect change.

I dont care whether you are Republican, Democrat, Independent or whatever, it matters not. The process is still the same and its still up to us.

You want to take any friendly bets on whether or not that changes after he is out of office?

Plan and simply the gov has too much power. We the people have little power anymore. Those old fat ******************************** (insert words of choice there ) money hungry guys in the government need to be taken out of power. This b.s. of them deciding how much they get paid each year and what benefits they get is crap. I don't get to vote on how much I get paid each year. Also there other things that our taxes are going to that are absolutely pointless. If the gov would stop spending our tax dollars on those pointless areas there would be more tax money to spend on the roads.

More toll roads ftw! I loved it when I was Oklahoma. As far as bus, train and other means of public transportation won't affect me and a majority of the people also. I would rather, and have, drive(n) 3000+ miles to get somewhere.
Screw it, I give up on gas prices, anyone wanna go halfsies or a few hundredsies on a bio-fuel kit?

Originally Posted by s1795so2

More toll roads ftw! I loved it when I was Oklahoma. As far as bus, train and other means of public transportation won't affect me and a majority of the people also. I would rather, and have, drive(n) 3000+ miles to get somewhere.
Screw it, I give up on gas prices, anyone wanna go halfsies or a few hundredsies on a bio-fuel kit?

Boi-fuel kits are a great idea, If I owned a diesel I would be seriously looking into it. Just wait till more people start using them though, you will end up paying for the deep fryer oil, and I bet the gov will tax that too. It is a win win for the gov and a lose lose for the people. They got us by the balls now.

Well technically they already have started taxing the bio-fuel, Willie nelson has a few stations along w/ a few other privately owned stations. I also read somwhere that there is a kit that uses old engine oil and converts it, it takes a lil longer to make the fuel, but is easier to get for free now. Just start offering free oil changes and put a few 55 gallon drums outside your house, haha.

That is very interesting, do you have a link. We have probably have over 600 gals of used oil in 55gal drums sitting around.

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I don't think this is the exact place I read about, but it does have info on it.

Don't know If I can get into trouble for posting another forum, but this is where I get my news and info on this from. It is somewhat informative.

You forgot the link about the forum.

I skimmed through the first link about black biodiesel and the way I understood it has to be mixed with Diesel fuel (which wouldn't be bad) but it is also illegal for hyw use because it turns died fuel black. Which means I could buy non taxable hi sulfur died fuel and mix that in.

Originally Posted by SyntheticShield

Well I dont want to sound like a jerk, but Im going to say it anyway. Stating all that here does nothing. Nothing short of a major major union of voices shouting at DC until the results desired are achieved. I see many times people will come together on an issue but they fall off after it looks like something will be done. To get results you have to be unified, of one voice and stay locked in, unrelenting until the goal is achieved.

I have never understood the governments propensity to raise taxes when the economy is falling off. Yep, thats going to help get it going, take more money out of my pocket. You want me to spend to boost the economy, cut taxes and allow me to have the money to spend not tax me two or three times. I pay taxes when I get paid, I pay taxes when I spend, I pay taxes when I save.

So, if you want change then it has to be unified, loud, focused and organized. The government is a business. It takes in money and provides services, so it should be ran as such and as long as the American people allow and I do mean ALLOW the government to do as it has been, nothing will ever change.

Anyway, thats my thoughts on it.

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Im not really an idealist, nor a revolutionary, a rebel or any of that. Im not really a Republican or Democrat. I actually consider myself more of an Independent for no other reason than, as voters, we should be voting for a candidate not a political party. I'll vote for the person I feel is best qualified to do the job, that best reflects my values my vision for how things should go. I am conservative at heart but I have no problem taking chances or being even a little liberal.

In reading the posts since I last checked this thread, I see a common perception. We cant win, they are more powerful, they have us by the you know what. Well you know what, thats a LIE. They (government) has no more authority than we give them. And we give it to them by not being active in the process or by not letting our voice be heard.

I'll give you a quick example. When I first moved to Oklahoma, I believe that year, they had a proposal to increase the sales tax by half a penny in order to build a plant for Whirpool. They common argument was we increase it only to get the funds to build them a plant so that they come to town and give the city jobs then we will repeal the increase. To me, I was okay with that, you give a major corporation incentive to come to the city and establish itself and its a temporary tax. Well guess what? That tax is still in effect. The people never organized, never protested, never did anything once that plant was built and Whirlpool was here. In fact, every time that tax comes up for expiration, the city comes up with something new to keep the tax in play.

WE, and WE alone are responsible for such things. If we do nothing, they (those in authority) will push and take until we do. The most recent example I have seen of the people pushing back was the city I live in now, Bartlesville. Last year there was a proposal to increase the tax a half penny to get roads fixed and to put in some large parks and a water park. I was quite impressed when the people as a whole voted it down and rose up and asked the question so many FAIL to ask. What are you doing with the money we are already sending you for roads, parks and improvements? Kudos on a major scale for the citizens of Bartlesville.

So, the next time some official talks about wanting more money for the roads, be sure to ask them what happened to the money that has already been sent to them by the people for this purpose that they collect from gas taxes, tags, drivers licenses and so forth.