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  1. #1 Just switched to E85... Here's what I learned! 
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    Well, I have finally made the switch as of this evening from pump gas to E85!

    First off, this stuff is awesome!.. 17* of timing at WOT with 0* of KR on my 3.5 pulley, so not too bad for starters. I am sure with different tunes, there will be more room to grow. Not to mention I have PLENTY of fueling room with my 60# injectors and just the ZZP fuel pump rewire on a new, stock fuel pump.

    I also wanted to mention a few things about the tune. I did not change anything in my injector tables for this switch. While I know that would work, and likely be easier/simple to change, I went about it all with the Fuel and timing tables as briefly described below, just to see if it could be done successfully.

    Fuel Tables:
    1) Change stoich. target to 9.85
    2) Change PE tables to target 7.3 at WOT (slight adders on that in the throttle position vs. AFR adder section)
    3) Change Open Loop AFR targets to 9.85 as well (also change the Cat Over Temp AFR targets as well to 9.85 just to be safe)

    Timing Tables:
    1) Make sure you zero out the AFR Correction Spark Table. Doing this prevents the car from adding 8* of additional timing at all times when running E85
    2) I also zeroed out the IAT Spark AFR table. Not fully necessary, but a good idea since E85 won't really require spark reduction at higher inlet air temps due to its intercooling effects.
    3) Adjust the Main Spark Advance tables as best as you see fit depending on your application. For me, this was adding roughly 7 degrees to the entire right half of the table to start (and then making minor tweaks/interpolations in between to get a smooth timing map). I will be making tweaks to this as time goes on and I dial in the tune. But this should get you started if you want to duplicate.

    Wideband values are showing good results. Stoich. values cruising around, and the equivalent of around 6.9-7.0 AFR when I get on the gas. I will likely bump my PE table up to target around 7.5-7.6 within the next few days as I am running on the rich side (6.9) even for E85. Again, not bad for a mild fuel system (minus the 60# injectors ).

    Time for a beer
    1998 GTP sedan: sold, 1999 GTP coupe #1: sold, 1999 GTP coupe #2 on E85: totalled
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  2. #2 Re: Just switched to E85... Here's what I learned! 
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    This also applies to fueling changes period...even if you're on gas stoich should always be the first thing done before playing with other tables. Most would be hard pressed to find gasoline with 14.7 stoic value...most of the time your value ends up at14.4.


    Great writeup and glad someone confirmed the right way to set you're tune up for success and not raping ifr tables.
    06 GXP | 222/227 cam/cartuning turbo kit on 8psi/meth/e85 coilovers/ still on stock trans at 130k
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    The issue with this is E85 changes all the time, so you'd have to constantly measure the fuel, then pop in and change the stoich and all of your AFR targets.

    If it were an LSx ECU, life would be so much simpler because you change stoich and you're done. The rest of the fueling is handled in equivalency ratios (inverse lambda), so the ECU recalculates the appropriate AFR every time regardless of what the stoich is.

    If you had a flex fuel ECU, it'd be easier yet again. Dave Steck makes a nice ethanol sensor for GM ECUs that's nearly plug and play. Set the PCM up and it automatically handles everything from fueling to ignition changes.
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    Ive never once seen KR on the aeroforce with E85 not even a blip. Ive been running it since Feb now its middle of July and 90 plus degrees out, and humid. Never touched the tune in this car, and I only have ONE station that has E85 in the Washington DC metro area.

    If I can have such little problems, in fact zero problems relying on one station once this car gets back to ND where corn is everywhere it should be even less of and issue.

    Long story short if the tune is solid you shouldn't have to constantly measure the fuel..........
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    I see +-3 stoich value swings at the max. The only thing you need to worry about is winter blend e85 which is more like e70
    06 GXP | 222/227 cam/cartuning turbo kit on 8psi/meth/e85 coilovers/ still on stock trans at 130k
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