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Ya, but does'nt the torque management only kick in under certain conditions? Don't have my tuner in front of me but is there not situations where torque management is activated and when it is not activated? Not arguing one way or the other but if Chris' torque management isn't being triggered then that scan is irrelevant to your point.
torque management kicks in during shifting, the rate of torque reduction is adjusted via estimated torque vs desired torque (generally speaking).
Torque management never shows up as KR... EVER! This has gotta be one of the most asinine claims I've ever heard.
Also, if false knock isn't real why do I get 176,000 results when I search "false knock retard" on google?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22false+knock+retard%22
Why do vendors sell false knock elimination kits?
Why do so many topics come up on this very forum about a sway bar hitting the downpipe and causing false KR?
Seems like an awful lot of discussion on something that doesn't even exist.
Are we done yet?
So youre saying if abuse mode is triggered and spark is reduced, its just that. The spark is reduced and it will not show up as KR but just simply reduce to that value set in the abuse table?
Torque management is not knock and therefor does not trigger KR.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtpsleeper
It may not technically be KNOCK retard... I guess you could call it ABUSE retard...
I guess my question is if you are commanding say 18*, the torque management kicks in, bringing it down to whatever value is in the settings (lets say 15*), then what would that be called?
I guess since the pcm is now commanding this timing, it technically is not KR. But, it is still retarding from what you want to command...
right?
Torque management, can, at times, retard spark timing.
This does not show as KR. KR is only the PCM reacting to knock... whether it be real or false.
conspiracy theories I see them everywhere............
Apparently google also has a sh1t ton of misinformed people too but that couldn't be true, no not on the internet.........
I say if it doesn't fvcking blow up call it a unicorn for all I care!!
Apparently google has 23,300,000 hit for san squashQuote:
Originally Posted by SnowFlake
Apparently google has and 85,800,000 hits for aliens
So no god damn it were not done............
Believe what you will but by your thinking san squash and aliens must be real too????
san squash??? wtf. guesss i better get ta googlin
Try adding some blinker fluid.
^^^ 144,000 just sayin but its gotta be real
OMGTVS whaaaaaaaaat?
Boring
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowFlake
False knock is REAL KNOCk, no such thing as false. If the sensor picks up noise in the system, then it is knock. Whether it be mechanical or internal. Something is wrong and it needs fixed.
this thread needs more pig newton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1mh2NclBac
Wrong... pre-ignition or detonation is 'knock'.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoarkatsINmuhtrailer
A sway bar hitting the downpipe and causing the sensor to trigger 'KR' is not knock. It's false knock.
Are we really doing this right now?
This is like the twilight zone.
Anyway Chris, now that you have the fuel pump fixed and a tune do you notice a difference in power with e85? I filled up the other day at $2.69 a gallon with a smile on my face :th_thumb-up:
The sensor picks it up and tells the pcm to back the **** up...So yes, it is real knock. There is a problem, in this case, the downpipe and swaybar hitting eachother. Fix that, the knock goes away.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowFlake
so if some one "knocked" you in the face would it be knock?????
Had this argument once with a science teacher about UFO's I said UFO's are bull**** and he decided to argue, I said ok lets go out side and you face away from me while I throw a damn brick at your head. You will be hit with a Unidentified Flying Object because you didn't know what hit you but you know something hit you right?
That's the damn PCM guy it doesn't matter if its internal to the engine or metal on metal it still picks it up as KNOCK !!!
maybe tomorrow ill bring some coloring crayons to class, and a special bottle of glue just for you snowflake