No, what I was doing wrong was trying to get it from the bottom only. Hitman hooked me up with going through the PS wheelwell. All done, and think I fixed the rough idle. Did put a dent in the oil pan tho....one of the studs came out of the old mount, and was laying in the pan where the mount sits. I missed it and it was laying in that tray so the new mount wouldn't drop all the way...I jacked and re-jacked the engine a bunch of times trying to get the mount to seat before I found the problem and the 2x4 I had under the oil pan must have shifted in the process. Will post pic when I get a minute. Took a quick test drive and good oil pressure so i don't think I'll have a problem. thanks again hitman you rock