the fact of the matter is that if youre able to pull 10whp out of headers versus a downpipe, regardless of the setup...then why do i care to install some POS headers that are just going to be a pain in the ass when a downpipe takes a half hour to install and i can tuck it up into the tunnel of the car perfectly?

if one...ONE company made a set of legit headers with a little bit of R&D that had a perfect fitment, wouldnt leak no matter how retarded you installed them, and had a legitimate downpipe i would be ALL OVER THAT ****. seriously, even the ZZP and wbody headers have issues and those are supposed to be 'the best'. TOGs can suck my wang, had a set and i hated them.

header qualities i want:
- 2 piece design
- v-band flanges on the crossover and downpipe
- no one needs giant primaries. that **** is retarded. that is just reducing exhaust velocity and ruining a possibly 'nice' set of headers.
- primaries that line up correctly and nice flanges that won't warp
- either make sure the trans dip stick isnt in the way, or provide a new dip stick (but this one is super easy to solve with a bendy dip stick anyway)

other than that, i dont care what they are made of or how much they cost (within reason). i paid close to $750 for my S&S. they were ceramic coated and work FLAWLESSLY. i touched nothing to accomodate the headers themselves. now, if they made them slightly bigger they would have been the best set of headers 150% hands down.

so back to my point: why the hell am i going to buy headers when none of the sets being sold are worth the money you spend on them? **** that noise.