Good point. The fact that we are even debating its use vs a turbo is saying something by itself.
And about the IC, i didnt see your adapter plate but why not just make the IC out of aluminum?
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Good point. The fact that we are even debating its use vs a turbo is saying something by itself.
And about the IC, i didnt see your adapter plate but why not just make the IC out of aluminum?
All your points comparing to a stock blower are invalid. Why compare it to a m90 when you could make better comparisons to aftermarket superchargers?
Whipple
M112
Kenne Bell
Procharger
How is this any better than any of those?
Well it's better than the m112 because the m112 is not any more efficient than the GenV. You simply have the option of going to a higher ceiling in terms of MAX hp potential. There's almost ZERO information on someones m90 to m112 gains. You might actually lose horsepower doing that swap.
Whipple... how many people have a whipple setup? How many of those people showed gains from the m90 to the whipple with nothing else done?
How many people have Kenne Belles?
How many people have Centri blowers?
Where's all the info?
I put the TVS swap together in my driveway. Drove it to the dyno untuned and picked up 50whp.
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Originally Posted by SnowFlake
I put the TVS swap together in my driveway. Drove it to the dyno untuned and picked up 50whp.[/QUOTE]
Ahhhh and the bullsh1t continues keep on keepin on!
Without causing a big todo, I'll say.....I disagree about power levels on the TVS vs Gen V with heads, IC etc. Been there, done that...following in the footsteps of a car that made equal your current power level. That was 93 octane, no Ethanol to suppress knock. Yes, a lot more parts, but done before the TVS was an option.
BTW guys doing cost. Don't forget TB adapter, wiring, maf change etc. Although no matter how you look at it.. the TVS is good power for the relative money invested without any "credit" for parts replaced. The cooler we can get a supercharger output temps....the better off.
For me, and I assume a lot of people that would be interested in doing this, the cost to build from a stock engine with new parts would be the most beneficial. Then subtract off the mods that you have. That is the best way to gage things. Start with a stock engine L67 and add up the costs to completion. Then compare it to similarly structured prices of other mods.
Just my $.02
Congrats on the great numbers on a different setup SnowFlake. When I get my build done, I'll be using an M112. Will have to see how those numbers unfold. With better fuel, hopefully you'll hit the 400whp mark.
Following that model you can get a brand new PT67 for the same price that he sold his gen5 for allegedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zef_66
For the simple gains I think this is costly but a good thing to look at.
But I want to know how did you get the TVS to mount to the LIM??? Did you just put an adapter plate under it or did you just modify the whole LIM? If there is a plate you could fix a Intercooler between them and probably drop pulley a little more and gain up some more power before opting for better heads. If you just modified the LIM you need to get another LIM and fabricate a plate so you CAN sandwich a Full Stack IC lol
Either way still proud that this worked. Its may or may not be as cost effective as a turbo, but it IS still another option to those past a GenV. Wasn't many options over a GenV so I'm glad it DID work and has potential to be even better. You can't get great things without spending a little money so boohoo it cost a couple grand, most people throw several grand at a engine to get a 150+hp gain.
Yes he used a plate. Which means it should be easy to make an IC plate. Especially easier for that bypass sticking down a little more. Use a solid or reasonably solid piece like the S3 old style WBS IC I had. It would make this a piece of cake.
The TVS swap goes heads up vs a full size IC + ported heads and GenV...
Power - We'll say too close to call, edge to the TVS. However you could still do heads/IC with your TVS ;)
Cost - TVS wins
Installation Difficulty - TVS wins (it's easier)
Uniqueness - TVS wins
Reliability - TVS wins
Not giving ZZP your $ - TVS wins
Blower Headroom - TVS spins reliably to 20,000rpm. GenV is kicked at 16,000.
Can you do a cost breakdown of it? Of those that you listed that the TVS wins, cost and reliability are the most important to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowFlake
More reliable because it's a smaller blower so less heat?
spinning faster means less longevity?
Being rated to be efficient enough to spin that high is something different.
Intercooler cores/pumps can fail is what he's using for reliability factor.
Flow detect?
Even so. Still more reliable to not have a fluid system than to have one.Quote:
Originally Posted by matt5112
If you want to get technical, not using a blower would be more reliable. Less likely to destroy a piston if you get bad gas.
Do you do ANY research or do you just jump into things? This is straight from the whipple description on WBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowFlake
What kind of gains can be expected from installing a Whipple on my car? - This is where the true power of the Whipple is shown. On a stock car using just a Whipple kit Animul Performance was able to pull out a 13.3 second quarter mile pass. It's important to note that the average stock GTP does a ~14.5 - 14.8 quarter mile pass. This is over a full second improvement in ET with just the Whipple supercharger, on the old style Whipple supercharger no less! While we never recommend running a Whipple on a stock car, this shows the true potential of this supercharger. Results will be exponentially more impressive on modified cars.