but these kids will have you believe you can make 450whp throwing a turbo on a stock engine and just go
Yea I know.. Its more like 500-520whp is the max on a stock cam without getting into C16 and stuff. E85 makes alot of fun stuff possible.

More than a few have made 420-450whp on 93 octane as well... I did 510whp on 93 octane and a ST2 cam, everything else stock.