Thread: All the recent gm flops.......

XLR is/was an incredible car, but it fit one of my criteria for being a general flop - High Price$$$= Low Sales #'s. Not good. Solstice was/is a good car, but it was 10 years too late. The proven hotselling equivilant platform is the Mazda Miata, but GM just missed the boat. If those two cars were introduced at the same time, Solstice would have won hands down. Superior car, superior styling, way too late. and now it's gone too. Was it the last pontiac with a real name? (ie G3,G5,G6,G8, what the hell were the marketing folks thinking getting rid of all the iconic Pontiac names that EVERONE new and identified with? G8 should have been either Grand Prix, Tempest, Lemans or Boneville. GTO should have been offered in 2 and 4 door configuration with everything from an NA 3.8 (Lemans?) 3.8 SC (Tempest) to the LS motors (GTO). They even make that platform in a wagon and a ute. GM ****ed up BIG with that, what a wasted opportunity.

Solstice = Flop
G3, G5, G6 = Flop
SSR = Flop
XLR = Flop
STS-V = Flop
Torrent = Flop
GMC Envoy XUV = Flop
Camaro - Too late, overweight, styling got old for me quick, so thats a Flop.

The only new GM cars worth buying are the LaCrosse, the new Regal or Regal GS, and the CTS-V. They need to work on everything else, and I think that will come with time.

And a lot of people were crying about the killing of Pontiac...Yeah it was GM's fault for letting the brand get as bad as it was. I mean, a G3, G5, G6 and Torrent do NOT deserve a Pontiac Logo. The way Pontiac stood, with one useful and deserving model out of 5, Pontiac deserved to die. As far as the G8, it didnt die, its just a Holden Commodore. GM will probably re badge it when they feel like it...hopefully sooner than later.

Originally Posted by SuperSport

Solstice = Flop
G3, G5, G6 = Flop
SSR = Flop
XLR = Flop
STS-V = Flop
Torrent = Flop
GMC Envoy XUV = Flop
Camaro - Too late, overweight, styling got old for me quick, so thats a Flop.

The only new GM cars worth buying are the LaCrosse, the new Regal or Regal GS, and the CTS-V. They need to work on everything else, and I think that will come with time.

And a lot of people were crying about the killing of Pontiac...Yeah it was GM's fault for letting the brand get as bad as it was. I mean, a G3, G5, G6 and Torrent do NOT deserve a Pontiac Logo. The way Pontiac stood, with one useful and deserving model out of 5, Pontiac deserved to die. As far as the G8, it didnt die, its just a Holden Commodore. GM will probably re badge it when they feel like it...hopefully sooner than later.

In the later years pontiac sedans were basically buicks or chevys rebadged for the younger generations so I'm not surprised the brand is gone, one had to go and it wasn't going to be buick or chevy. If anything those new buicks seem to truly appeal to me, hell even newer cadillac and lincoln (for the ford guys) cars seem to have sex appeal to my younger generation. I wish they learned to make building high quality parts the top priority, although they along with all other companies have stepped that up this past decade.

Originally Posted by alkygto

XLR is/was an incredible car, but it fit one of my criteria for being a general flop - High Price$$$= Low Sales #'s. Not good.

That makes alot of sense. There is a reason GM priced it so high was for exclusivity, with exclusivity there are low sales volumes. Take the MB SL500 for example, 100k, but they don't sell many of them. Does that make it a flop? My parents have a 2008 XLR-V, and it is far from a flop.

I agree the XLR is an awsome car. It is a "Image Builder" for the brand more than anything. I'd love to own one, but probably never will. I want a platform available in 2 door and four door with a possible wagon variation with a V6 and V8 option and my choice of 2WD or AWD. I believe Audi and Mercedes both offer these but my heart is with American made vehicles. Ford even offers an AWD turbo compact in Europe but not here, WHY?