Thread: Driving issues

Originally Posted by Itchy2500

Rockauto will only list the ones for the supercharged car as long as you select the supercharged car. So if you need the passenger side you order the right side, if you need the drivers you order the left.

thats how i did it, 07 gp supercharged.

The left side as previously stated is the same on every 2nd gen wbody.

BUICK	ALLURE	(2005 - 2009)
BUICK	CENTURY	(2000 - 2005)
BUICK	LACROSSE	(2005 - 2009)
BUICK	LESABRE	(2000 - 2005)
BUICK	LUCERNE	(2006 - 2008)
BUICK	PARK AVENUE	(1997 - 2005)
BUICK	REGAL	(1997 - 2004)
BUICK	RIVIERA	(1997 - 1999)
CHEVROLET	IMPALA	(2000 - 2011)
CHEVROLET	MONTE CARLO	(2000 - 2007)
CHEVROLET	VENTURE	(1999 - 2005)
OLDSMOBILE	AURORA	(2001 - 2002)
OLDSMOBILE	INTRIGUE	(1998 - 2002)
OLDSMOBILE	SILHOUETTE	(1999 - 2004)
PONTIAC	BONNEVILLE	(2000 - 2005)
PONTIAC	GRAND PRIX	(1997 - 2008)
PONTIAC	MONTANA	(1999 - 2005)

Originally Posted by shadegt

I didn't know that there was a compatibility list for the transmission.

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The 4t65e was in tons of cars.

4T65-E[edit]

The 4T65-E was introduced to replace the 4T60-E in 1997. The 4T65-E included a larger 258 mm torque converter for some models and many other changes to improve reliability. It is able to handle vehicles up to 6500 lb (2948 kg) GVWR with up to 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) of torque. A number of final drive ratios are available, with many distinct models. Starting in mid year 2000 models, all 4T65-E models received an upgraded valve body. Starting in 2003 the internal electronics were changed, hardened 4th gear shaft, ratcheting sprags for input and third gear were added. The last application was the 2011 Chevrolet Impala as GM has transitioned to the 6T70 family transmissions for 2012.^[1]
Models:

• M15 — 245 mm (9.6 in) torque converter
• MN3 — 258 mm (10.2 in) torque converter
• MN7 — 258 mm (10.2 in) torque converter and heavy-duty gearbox (see 4T65E-HD)
• MD7 — 245 mm (9.6 in) torque converter (Chinese version)
• M76 — 245 mm (9.6 in) torque converter (with all-wheel drive capability)

Gear ratios:

1	2	3	4	R
2.92	1.56	1.00	0.70	2.38

Applications:

• M15
  
  • 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix 3.4 DOHC V6
  • 1997–2003 Chevrolet Lumina/Monte Carlo V6 3.4 L/3.8 L
  • 1997–2003 Chevrolet Venture V6 3.4 L
  • 2000–2003 Chevrolet Impala V6 3.4 L/3.8 L
  • 1997–2001 Chevrolet Lumina/Monte Carlo V6 3.1 L
  • 1998-1999 Oldsmobile Intrigue V6 3.8 L
  • 1998-2003 Pontiac Grand Prix V6 3.1 L/3.8 L
  • 1997-2004 Pontiac Grand Prix "GT" 3800 V6 (L36 Motor)
  • 2006-2007 Chevrolet Malibu (SS Models) V6 3.9 L
  
  
• 3.29:1 M15
  
  • Buick Terraza
  • Chevrolet Uplander
  • Pontiac Montana SV6
  • Saturn Relay

• 3.29:1 M76
  
  • Buick Rendezvous
  • Chevrolet Impala 9C1
  • Oldsmobile Aurora V6
  • Oldsmobile Intrigue Autobahn Package/PCS
  • Oldsmobile Silhouette
  • Pontiac Aztek

• 2.86:1 or 3.05:1 M15
  
  • Buick LeSabre
  • Chevrolet Impala LA1
  • Chevrolet Monte Carlo LA1
  • Pontiac Bonneville FQ3

• 3.05:1 MN3
  
  • 1997-2004 Buick Regal V6 3.8 L LS/LSE
  • 1997-2005 Buick Park Avenue V6 3.8 L
  • 1999-2002 Oldsmobile Intrigue V6 3.5 L
  
  
• 2.92:1 M15
  
  • Buick LaCrosse
  
  
• 3.69:1 M76
  
  • Buick Terraza
  • Buick Rendezvous
  • Chevrolet Uplander
  • Pontiac Aztek
  • Pontiac Montana SV6
  • Saturn Relay

4T65E-HD[edit]

The 4T65E-HD (code MN7) is a heavy duty version of the 4T65-E used with more powerful engines such as the LS4 V8 and L67/L32 supercharged V6.
Applications:

• 2.93:1 MN7
  
  • Oldsmobile 88 LSS L67
  • Pontiac Bonneville SSEi L67
  • Chevrolet Impala L67
  • Chevrolet Monte Carlo L67
  • Pontiac Grand Prix GTP/GXP
  • Buick Regal GS
  • Buick Riviera L67 (97-99)
  
  
• 3.05:1 MN7
  
  • Buick Park Avenue Ultra
  
  
• 3.06:1 MN7
  
  • Chevrolet Impala SS
  • Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (2006-2007)
  
  
• 3.29:1 MN7
  
  • Buick LaCrosse Super
  • Pontiac Grand Prix GTP Comp G

Originally Posted by HighOctaneRacing

Shouldn't have to elaborate due to the fact that the info is stated next to the part number on rock auto. A supercharged left side axle for a 97 will not fit an 97 NA GP so when you say all 2nd gen will fit is inaccurate. I had a 97 NA and received a CV that was boxed wrong and meant for a S/C.

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Well duh a 97 NA axle isnt going to work in a 97 gtp. Its a different trans you tard. And I never said all.

Originally Posted by Itchy2500

Drivers side(left) is the same on pretty much every single 2nd gen w-body car. The passenger side(right) is different on the supercharged cars. CARDONE SELECT 661256

Somebody please say the spline count is different at the trans end of the CV shaft. I don't mind being outwardly insane and assumed the hub end would also be different. FWD is bunk. Apology to OP for misleading, and thanks to SlickItchy for pointing out my mistake. Axles, not hubs. I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by idrivejunk

Somebody please say the spline count is different at the trans end of the CV shaft. I don't mind being outwardly insane and assumed the hub end would also be different. FWD is bunk. Apology to OP for misleading, and thanks to SlickItchy for pointing out my mistake. Axles, not hubs. I stand corrected.

The Cardone Select drivers side axle on a 97 GT is PN 661255HD
The Cardone Select passenger side axle on a 97 GT is PN 661249
The Cardone Select drivers side axle on a 97 GTP is PN 661255HD
The Cardone Select passenger side axle on a 97 GTP is PN 661256
The Cardone Select drivers side axle on an 07 GT is PN 661255HD
The Cardone Select passeger side axle on an 07 Gt is PN 661256

I am not sure how the spline count can be different on the drivers side axle if the part numbers are the same 97-08. If you have time you can cross reference part numbers off Rockauto or whatever parts site, and I am assuming you will come up with the same results I did. If you find anything different please post your findings.

The spline count on the axles is what makes S/C and N/A not swap.

Originally Posted by HighOctaneRacing

Not trying to argue but educate you a little more. The spline count is one reason but there's a lip on certain ones. When I get out of work, I will supply photos.

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I could use plenty education and kinda typed that in a hurry. All I really know is if a guy uses a HD trans in a GT, GTP hubs will be needed, to fit the axles. Any additional light you can shed is great. I didn't step in with intent to fog up the thread. Resume...

Originally Posted by shadegt

I didn't see anything on rock that supported info on the left side being supercharger specific or not, hence why I spent time contacting cardone to make sure their description was correct on their website. Again, I'm not going to just randomly buy an axle and hope that it works. I'm going to do it right the first time and not worry about it, a lot of guys have been helpful on this site which is why I ask for help, Scotty has given me a great number of tips on my car, I hope to hear from him again when I rip my control arms out. That should be soon I think...

Also, I'm no mechanic, so any help is great, as I need a lot of it.
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your fing blind or dont know how to search your parts.

shadegt- "Hey, I'm just relaxing and waiting for my cvs to come in. I don't really care where this goes from here, but hopefully someone has an answer to your question."

Shade, since you are cool with however this goes... if you don't mind, I feel a brief explanation is in order. If for no other reason, to protect my credibility.

You were cool the whole way through this topic and pretty much ended up figuring it out and confirming it yourself. I hope its the solution for you.

At the time you posted this thread, I read it. Another member was also posting about making a driver from a couple 200 buck cars, earlier gen. My gen.

I almost posted a reply like this:
"Could it just be the ABS pump running due to a wiring or hub problem? That kinda makes a growling noise then the light comes on. Can you feel the vibration through the brake pedal?"

But by the time I decided how to word that and re-read the post... I realized you have an 07 which I know little of, and saw other members tending to your concerns. Your replies to them told me you probably know what the ABS pump feels like anyway...

So I passed on replying. After all, my experience is limited to two 99s and an 02. Plus whatever wrecked ones I fixed back when.

Later on, I saw there was a pause then Scotty came in and like I often do, fired a reply from a quick scan of the last post. No crime, no harm. Advice was heard.

I knew the next guys have experience too, but in hurriedly reading myself what was going on...

I confused shade with $200 car guy, and percieved a hole in the information given thus far plus potential personality conflicts, so I typed my thought.

My way-previous research about 99GT to GTP swapping was semi-relevant but I had committed a half-truth to memory from it...

My life was all RWD, FWD I'm still learning. It never occurred to me that the outer end could be common, shared between GT and P (of my gen) so when I learned awhile back about inner spline count-

I wrongly assumed outers follow suit, they do not. As the others have shown and told, and as you know... well we all know now, right? I'm on the same page now.

My experience with hubs and CVs is minimal, my background is in driver maintainence and pro bodywork so I'm not as lost as it seems. But I was lost in this thread. My bad.

Shade I bet you get my drift, as do the others. If GPs were worth their snot, blown ones would have honkin big half shafts that can handle something, room for more tire, etc.

But they're regular cars and we're regular guys and none are perfect. FWIW I think every poster was helpful or at least as in my case, wanting to be.

Good to know we can all talk like men even though we act different.

kornhead- Thank you for the simple catch. I have not had much access to my PC this week, I swung and missed trying to keep up on a phone.

HighOctane, you're alright man. Thanks. Now I'm curious about the diameters.... preesh the clarity offered. Save it for a real need.

Slick, feel free to call me out on mistakes any time, I prefer to own them and make a specatacle of it like I'm doing now. I think I'm getting the hang of how you communicate lol. Until I have you cussing, I won't flinch or be butthurt if you tell it like you see it.

At least I've avoided being a total fvcktard (in my mind now). Been a dusk til dawn week and I'm faded. Good luck Shade. Hope everybody gets where I came from with the bad info I spewed.

Originally Posted by idrivejunk

Shade, since you are cool with however this goes... if you don't mind, I feel a brief explanation is in order. If for no other reason, to protect my credibility.

You were cool the whole way through this topic and pretty much ended up figuring it out and confirming it yourself. I hope its the solution for you.

At the time you posted this thread, I read it. Another member was also posting about making a driver from a couple 200 buck cars, earlier gen. My gen.

I almost posted a reply like this:
"Could it just be the ABS pump running due to a wiring or hub problem? That kinda makes a growling noise then the light comes on. Can you feel the vibration through the brake pedal?"

But by the time I decided how to word that and re-read the post... I realized you have an 07 which I know little of, and saw other members tending to your concerns. Your replies to them told me you probably know what the ABS pump feels like anyway...

So I passed on replying. After all, my experience is limited to two 99s and an 02. Plus whatever wrecked ones I fixed back when.

Later on, I saw there was a pause then Scotty came in and like I often do, fired a reply from a quick scan of the last post. No crime, no harm. Advice was heard.

I knew the next guys have experience too, but in hurriedly reading myself what was going on...

I confused shade with $200 car guy, and percieved a hole in the information given thus far plus potential personality conflicts, so I typed my thought.

My way-previous research about 99GT to GTP swapping was semi-relevant but I had committed a half-truth to memory from it...

My life was all RWD, FWD I'm still learning. It never occurred to me that the outer end could be common, shared between GT and P (of my gen) so when I learned awhile back about inner spline count-

I wrongly assumed outers follow suit, they do not. As the others have shown and told, and as you know... well we all know now, right? I'm on the same page now.

My experience with hubs and CVs is minimal, my background is in driver maintainence and pro bodywork so I'm not as lost as it seems. But I was lost in this thread. My bad.

Shade I bet you get my drift, as do the others. If GPs were worth their snot, blown ones would have honkin big half shafts that can handle something, room for more tire, etc.

But they're regular cars and we're regular guys and none are perfect. FWIW I think every poster was helpful or at least as in my case, wanting to be.

Good to know we can all talk like men even though we act different.

kornhead- Thank you for the simple catch. I have not had much access to my PC this week, I swung and missed trying to keep up on a phone.

HighOctane, you're alright man. Thanks. Now I'm curious about the diameters.... preesh the clarity offered. Save it for a real need.

Slick, feel free to call me out on mistakes any time, I prefer to own them and make a specatacle of it like I'm doing now. I think I'm getting the hang of how you communicate lol. Until I have you cussing, I won't flinch or be butthurt if you tell it like you see it.

At least I've avoided being a total fvcktard (in my mind now). Been a dusk til dawn week and I'm faded. Good luck Shade. Hope everybody gets where I came from with the bad info I spewed.

Oh no I wasn't trying to be a dick.