amen on the non japanese alpine, and alpine is not all that. i had a dva 7996 and a 9813 those were real alpines, always wanted the xl face 7998 though. pioneer and kenwood make good units and new sony is back making ok units. but for daily non comp, no unit is bad imo.

but heres some unfinished pics of my raggedy car




i had so many different setups



i forgot i even had this nav setup