Thread: Modding to 300 hp

Originally Posted by SnowFlake

Oh Mike, I'm just messing around guy. I actually like you
But an L67 that makes the same peak whp as a LS4, with all things being equal, will beat the LS4 car.

You're like the guy that calls a girl fat and then when she takes offense to it you tell her you were just joking. There's nothing funny about it. I don't get the joke and there doesn't seem to be anything good natured about the way you try to set people up. All I see is someone itching for a chance to show other people how much he knows.

And the fact that you like me is irrelevant to me calling you out. Just stop what you're doing. Three days here and I already have your number.

Originally Posted by SnowFlake

I didn't call you fat. I asked you to explain what you meant by the LS4 having more top end than a similarly powered L67.
Stock for stock the LS4 has more top end, period. But when an L67 is making that kind of power, the curve has shifted enough for it to be a wash.

It depends on the setup. You can't speak in absolutes because unless you know the setup it's NOT always a wash. My turbo setup was 330whp and an LS4 would have given it a good run for it's money from a highway run because it was pushing through stock manifolds and a stock cat-back system. It made insane torque but fell flat on it's face where most turbo cars shine because of it's limitations.

Likewise with your standard supercharged 300 crank horsepower 3800. Be it gearing, drag, power band, etc it tends to fall flat at highway speeds in the upper RPMs or is at least proportionately slower than it is at slower speeds, lower in the RPMs. Rockers do wonders to correct this problem and that was my point and that's where you jumped in and thought you'd split hairs, get me to commit to a statement and then correct me.

I don't itch at the chance to tell people how much I know, rather I like to hang people on their own words for a little bit of a laugh. I see too many people read/regurgitate incorrect stuff all the time. It gets passed around as fact and is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. After so many years of trying to politely educate people, only to have the debate turn into a sh*tfest, I just gave up and I enjoy just messing around.

First off, why apologize if you're just going to defend your actions? Just say "I'm acting like a jackass and I stand by it". You didn't hang me on anything. You misinterpreted my words, either intentionally or by mistake and then proceeded to go on a 5 post run where your sole purpose was to bait me (or others) into committing to something so that you could respond with a contrary opinion. That contributes NOTHING to the discussion and serves only to clutter posts, take them off topic, and create ill will against yourself. It humiliates those that don't know better and pisses off those that do. Why bother being here at all? Just stop doing it, with me, with others, period. I don't know how the moderators have tolerated you this long. You're a distraction.

I won't come after you anymore, you're a good guy and I have a lot of respect for you. I used to buy SHO parts from you and I told a lot of people that you were the guy to go to.

Don't not bother me. Just learn how to communicate. See if you think I'm wrong about something all you have to say is that you disagree and tell me why and then I can respond. If you would have corrected me and said you disagreed about my assessment of a GXP beating a 300hp 3800 I could have told you a. that I was referring to a highway run (high speed, upper RPMs) and b. I could have told you that you were missing the point because all things being equal, a rocker car is going to have more upper end power than a non rocker car and since the 3800 is not short on low end power, there are absolutely NO disadvantages to running high ratio rockers and everything to gain. Instead you locked in on my statement about the L67's top end and tried setting traps and yes that's the sign of someone who wants to show how much they know. I can't see how it's "fun" to hang someone on their own words unless they are just plain wrong about something and clearly ignorant. Splitting hairs over someone's statements isn't comparable. So don't avoid me. Just act like an adult.