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    Nick said that the S3X cam wouldnt be a good daily driver cam and i asked him why he thought that. He never really answered it fully The build you see below is everything i currently have (except cam,heads, intercooler,TEP trans) i have the cash to buy them right this second but im holding off to right before i get home (for warranty reasons/Research). Ive been looking for a few answers on a few grandprix forums that i havent found yet. this is the build i currently have going on.

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    1.) which spark plugs do i need to switch to (current AL 104's)
    2.) when changing your compression do you have to machine anything?
    3.) MPG, Longitivity with S3X/S3 heads as a DD?
    4.) what options do i need when im getting the trans built with this build?
    5.) anything i need for this build that isnt listed?
    6.) other all comments/concerns taken into account.

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    That setup is made for instant acceleration, has a lot of lope and will be tough to get a nice idle from. All these things tend to add up when you are attempting to DD a car.

    Yes you can get used to the throttle and learn to drive semi normally
    Yes you can deal with the car rocking back and forth at stoplights
    Yes you can tune until you are old and tired to get the idle to seem better and the transistion from idle to speed etc.

    The cam is made more for the track than the street.
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    why do you keep making new threads?
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    everything is streetable. it's all up to what you determine to be streetable. we can't tell you if you'd drive it everyday and care or not.

    also, just about everything bill said is true. running the TEP was fun, but it shook the damn earth when i wasn't cruising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio248 View Post
    also, just about everything bill said is true. running the TEP was fun, but it shook the damn earth when i wasn't cruising.
    This.

    And because of my idle/cam/valvesprings...

    I just destroyed a double roller crank gear. So...your car...get at it and build it already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio248 View Post
    everything is streetable. it's all up to what you determine to be streetable. we can't tell you if you'd drive it everyday and care or not.

    also, just about everything bill said is true. running the TEP was fun, but it shook the damn earth when i wasn't cruising.

    i just dont want mileage to suffer too much, and everything making pretty solid power without **** breaking left and right.


    Safe power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio248 View Post
    everything is streetable. it's all up to what you determine to be streetable. we can't tell you if you'd drive it everyday and care or not.

    also, just about everything bill said is true. running the TEP was fun, but it shook the damn earth when i wasn't cruising.

    Yes, this is so true for our cars. The "not suited for street use" many people believe, doesn't really apply to any of our cars. EVERYTHING on the market for our cars would not hinder it useless on the street. Ya, your not going to get that 35 MPG, but its not going to be anything like 15 MPG.

    A promod, or blown big block all out race car...ya...probably not a good choice for a DD obviously. You can make any modified car a DD, or a weekend play toy, or a all out race car/trailer queen. Just up to the driver, and what they want.

    Before anyone builds an engine up, I always ask them, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN THE CAR?

    Good gas mileage, nice smooth idle? Get a small cam, or rockers.

    Don't care about gas mileage, and have some money to blow and want your 3.8 to sound like a small block V8 at idle? Get ya a big ass cam and build it up.

    I have the IS3 cam and heads on my engine, love em. I have taken road trips, track passes, and just cruising around town. Sounds mean at idle, turns heads at stop lights, or at gas stations with the lope of the cam. I'm not die hard go to the track EVERY WEEKEND ya know. Built strong, so it can handle the abuse, and sound mean, didn't really care about fuel economy. I still don't. Never did the math on my MPG what I get to this day. But its not bad by any means.

    Only annoying thing with the large cam on the street I see or feel, but I have learned to live with, is the slight jerking at a stop light. The car wants to jump forward every other pop of the exhaust. You just kinda have to ride in the car to feel and understand that. Hard to explain. You can kinda feel your head moving back and forth at a red light because the car is shaking so much. POLY mounts just add to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GR8racingfool View Post
    Yes, this is so true for our cars. The "not suited for street use" many people believe, doesn't really apply to any of our cars. EVERYTHING on the market for our cars would not hinder it useless on the street. Ya, your not going to get that 35 MPG, but its not going to be anything like 15 MPG.

    A promod, or blown big block all out race car...ya...probably not a good choice for a DD obviously. You can make any modified car a DD, or a weekend play toy, or a all out race car/trailer queen. Just up to the driver, and what they want.

    Before anyone builds an engine up, I always ask them, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN THE CAR?

    Good gas mileage, nice smooth idle? Get a small cam, or rockers.

    Don't care about gas mileage, and have some money to blow and want your 3.8 to sound like a small block V8 at idle? Get ya a big ass cam and build it up.

    I have the IS3 cam and heads on my engine, love em. I have taken road trips, track passes, and just cruising around town. Sounds mean at idle, turns heads at stop lights, or at gas stations with the lope of the cam. I'm not die hard go to the track EVERY WEEKEND ya know. Built strong, so it can handle the abuse, and sound mean, didn't really care about fuel economy. I still don't. Never did the math on my MPG what I get to this day. But its not bad by any means.

    Only annoying thing with the large cam on the street I see or feel, but I have learned to live with, is the slight jerking at a stop light. The car wants to jump forward every other pop of the exhaust. You just kinda have to ride in the car to feel and understand that. Hard to explain. You can kinda feel your head moving back and forth at a red light because the car is shaking so much. POLY mounts just add to it.

    ~F~
    Thanks man, now ive seen a few people with the IS3 as a DD and they all say the MPG isnt too shabby I found a IS3 Cam for 200$ and im considering get a machine shop to do the heads because i dont feel like paying intense 1900$ for a job that maybe cost 800-1000$ tops

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    I am dding my TEP car right now. Idle set at 800rpm.
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    Have Intense stage 3 cam I'd sell for $200 plus shipping its in the classifieds too my regal burnt down. Plans was to run a IS3 cam and Gen5. Have both forsale right now! $500 everything you need for the polished gen5 lim zzp hub and 3.4 plus gen5 to L67 TB adapter along with it. Willing to make a deal on the cam and Gen5 setup if bough all at once!
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    PS I don't know who makes the ZZP stainless brake lines, but get Goodridge. I've heard some scary stuff about some lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02GrandPrixIraqVet View Post
    Have Intense stage 3 cam I'd sell for $200 plus shipping its in the classifieds too my regal burnt down. Plans was to run a IS3 cam and Gen5. Have both forsale right now! $500 everything you need for the polished gen5 lim zzp hub and 3.4 plus gen5 to L67 TB adapter along with it. Willing to make a deal on the cam and Gen5 setup if bough all at once!
    I already have a GEN V that is ported/polished with a ported LIM.
    and i have a northstart TB.

    but the S3X Cam and ZZP MPS i might be interested in. PM me with your prices on that

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    PS I don't know who makes the ZZP stainless brake lines, but get Goodridge. I've heard some scary stuff about some lines.

    Definitely not a place to slack.
    I already have the ZZP lines, but thanks my buddy has them and he love them.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheOtherNick View Post
    I am dding my TEP car right now. Idle set at 800rpm.
    hows it running for you? smooth idle at 800rpms? gas mileage?

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegtp91 View Post
    This.

    And because of my idle/cam/valvesprings...

    I just destroyed a double roller crank gear. So...your car...get at it and build it already.
    so you think the double roller chain is junk?

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    No such thing as safe power.
    You have to run a double roller you dont have a choice with 130# springs
    Idle is not too bad on mine.
    Since you really have no idea what you want out of the car I would just go with like an xp or s1x cam.
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    Fast, Reliable, and Cheap...Pick 2.....

    with that being said....Running a Sub 3" pulley, on a gen V, with a Cam, and all the goodies....you should expect your mileage to drop significantly....

    Safe power isnt really something you can make... You can make lots of power, and make it as safe as possible, but it'll still go sometime...the more mods you have, the more upkeep you'll have on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machinegunsquid View Post
    Fast, Reliable, and Cheap...Pick 2.....

    with that being said....Running a Sub 3" pulley, on a gen V, with a Cam, and all the goodies....you should expect your mileage to drop significantly....

    Safe power isnt really something you can make... You can make lots of power, and make it as safe as possible, but it'll still go sometime...the more mods you have, the more upkeep you'll have on it.
    Fast/Reliable (obviously i dont like cheap i try to buy the best parts i can for the car)

    thinking the 3.0 for the GEN V would be better?

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    You wont know what pulley you can run till you get the car together and tune, for all the time you spend making threads, you should take a min and read old stuff that his info in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOtherNick View Post
    You wont know what pulley you can run till you get the car together and tune, for all the time you spend making threads, you should take a min and read old stuff that his info in it.
    Thats what ive been doing for the past 2 weeks is reading old threads. none of them really have the answers i was looking for.

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    No...You'll need to start off with a larger pulley, and drop sizes until you start seeing knock, and tune the knock out for that pulley...

    Also, running a 2.8 on a Gen V is pushing it...You'd probably make just as much power with a 3.0 setup, tuned more gooder
    Thats what i was thinking just stick with the 3.0 pulley

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    No...You'll need to start off with a larger pulley, and drop sizes until you start seeing knock, and tune the knock out for that pulley...

    Also, running a 2.8 on a Gen V is pushing it...You'd probably make just as much power with a 3.0 setup, tuned more gooder

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    Yeah, cause running sub 3 starts spinning that Gen V like crazy....be harder to cool all the heat it'll be creating.

    Get a badass tune on a 3.0, and keep a 2.8 handy for the track, and pump in some 100+octane and have fun.

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