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03-22-2009
just wondering what kind of interest there would be for an air to air adapter plate for the m90 cause im thinking of building a prototype. I know there have been companies already to make them, but i was going to see how hard it would be to make one, probably mostly phenolic.
Logan
03-22-2009
Sorry not following....
You mean for an A/A Intercooler? For an M90? I don't see that working well.
03-22-2009
ive heard horror stories of the ones used on the aussie cars about how MAF readings get way off and it ends up having a lag because it has to build pressure in the entire front mount system before you can actually get boost out of it. i would just leave this one alone.
03-22-2009
I've read up pn the a/a intercoolers on my aussie forums and the issues with them were
1) there was no good tuning software avaliable.
2) some had issues with idle and throttle response because of the long distance between the throttle and the cylinders.
these issues can be solved with HPT and a good one inch drill bit through the center of the a/a plate.
I say make one. If its reasonable, im all for it, jut not out of that weak inferior brown plastic you have.
03-22-2009
Didn't t-birds use a air/air intercooler on their s/c setups? I remember seeing a few air/air setups at meets.
03-22-2009
lol phenolic is far from weak you need to read up on it more and the reason why i make things from phenolic is because it doesnt transfer heat making it more efficient.
as far as throttle lag, ive heard that moving the maf to the boost side fixes the problem.
just wondering what people would think of it im partial to the air to air myself because less moving parts, and its very efficient.
Logan
03-22-2009
03-22-2009
Im well aware of the properties of it and Im well aware that there are stronger alternatives to it. It does transfer heat as well. If you truly believe that it transfers 0% heat, you live in a textbook world where gravity is a constant and there is no resistance of air in anything you do.Originally Posted by minichopper6hp
I would, however, love to see you make one. I know that Intense got a hold of the FIT plate and decided that it didn't fit on the gtp (durr) and immediately gave up.
you sort one out, ill buy one.
03-22-2009
Yes...those and the Cougar's. It was a small front mounted IC to the right of the radiator. I always liked the idea but being FWD I didn't see it happening.
Unless...could you route the piping down and move the washer fluid reservoir, or a battery relocation to the trunk and you could mount it there. JW where you planned on mounting something like that?
03-22-2009
idk, i might just stick to making w2a cores for sale on here, sounds like people dont wanna experiment with something i thought would be pretty cool, unique
Logan
03-22-2009
something similar to that, but mostly phenolic im thinking....
03-22-2009
Mmmm that would be sweet.
03-22-2009
although it would be cool to have someone try and make it work i think our water to air systems will perform better.
03-22-2009
i would experiment if i had money. air to air is much more efficient if you can make it work right.
03-22-2009
W2A intercoolers are FAR more efficient that A2A intercoolers. The only draw back is that the W2A intercoolers can become restrictive in a high boost setup.
I like you're thinking though.
03-22-2009
QFT
You can only lower air temps to the original air temp. w2a can be beyond 100% efficient.
03-22-2009
You can't be beyond 100% efficient. That would mean the laws of physics are warping as they go into your engine bay. W2A can only lower it to the temperature of the air passing through the FMHE. The only way to lower the temperature beyond that is a phase change system (like your A/C compressor and evaporator core). I'm waiting for someone to disable their A/C and put the evaporator core in a IC. You'd have to program the PCM to not disengage the compressor on WOT but I'm sure that's a small technicality.
Last edited by Sabrewings; 03-22-2009 at 06:57 PM.
03-22-2009
the air coming into the (in my case) turbo would be hotter than the air going into the tb because of the water to air intercooler.
Ice, tends to be cooler, and absorbs more energy, than air. therefore, or however you want to word it, pulls 100+% of the heat out of the air.
03-22-2009
How do you figure? The only reason this would be is if your turbo is pulling warm air from the engine bay as opposed to the cooler outside air the FMHE has access to.
That has nothing to do with being more efficient. That is simply the higher specific heat capacity of H2O. Yes, it will absorb more joules of heat per degree celsius it rises, but it will also be harder on the FMHE because it has that many more joules it has to pull out of the water to lower it every degree celsius.
I think you're confusing greater efficiency with simply greater performance. They are not the same.
03-22-2009
I see what you're trying to say.
I think the OP has some real good ideas. So don't be discouraged when we comment on you're stuff. Just use it in a positive way. After all....You DO want to make something that will sell and that will be usefull to the people you're trying to sell to.
Who better to ask right? lol
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