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    I agree with what everyone says, dont get pulley envy. The pulley is only a small part of a bigger equation. Its great having all the extra torque due to the smaller size but it hurts in the long run. Your HP will suffer severely. A 3.5 with your mods will more than likely outperform that 3.4 pulley with the same mods because of KR. And anything sub 3.4 is out of the question without some kind of valvetrain work or IC. Trust me, i blew a HG trying to run a 3.0/Full size IC/rockers/20* of timing/and stock exhaust manis w 3 inch dp. I learned the hard expensive way, take your time and do it correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t24moore View Post
    I learned the hard expensive way, take your time and do it correctly.
    That is what i'm trying to do.And thanks to the help of you guys i think it might happen.

    decided to go with the 180 drilled t-stat -thanks guys!!!


    someone educate me on the spark plug question about the coldness of the plug and how it can hurt me. And also why the 605's would be better than the 103's. never heard of someone using the 605's so thats why i ask.just want to learn how it would be benefitial to me
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    Well it is helpful to understand the Autolite heat ranges.

    606 = Stock
    605 = 1 step colder and good for stock motors to ~3.5 pulley
    104 = 2 steps colder and good for 3.4 to 3.2ish
    103 = 3 steps colder and good for 3.1 to farther than I'll ever go

    If the plugs are too cold, the plugs don't get hot enough to burn deposits off of them which will lead to misfires as they accumulate. The recommendation usually is to run the hottest plugs you can safely get away with. So your best bet is 605s. If you have one or two degrees of KR with the 605s, you could try 104s. But you can see that 103s are for more hardcore setups.

    EDIT: And I always like referring to Overkill's spark plug article.
    Ontario Quebec Club Grand Prix :: Which Spark Plugs Should I Run?
    That will feed your need for information.
    Last edited by Going Too Phast; 03-18-2008 at 12:21 PM.
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    ok got ya...thanks for the link.I guess so many ppl are misinformed that they do not know what is ''best''....i see so many ppl that have a 3.4 with 104's and the same mods as i listed.maybe it was ok for them but i am leaning more twards the 3.5 now.



    From those of you with experience will i notice a majior difference in power (seat of you pants wise) when i wrap the crossover,180,t-stat,p-log and 3.5 pulley??


    What is a good estimation of a 1/4 mile time with the above mods??Tried to bring the car to the track stock...but when i was finially able to go it rained out ...i was confident that the car did 14's stock because of the ppl i raced on the street that had gone to the track and did 15.1,15.0 (preludes) and i murdered em lol.i know it is not an accurae way of telling but it was my hopes and dreams to be in the 14's stock....so nobody ruin that lol
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    14.1-14.6

    Depends really, You should be fine with a 3.5 and 104's gapped right.

    I think wrapping the crossover will not be a sufficient gain but you can try it. The tb gets a lot of heat from the supercharger itself. I have a tb shield from zzp and while it blocks the heat from the crossover, It seems like it gets hot from the s/c anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoSHO99 View Post
    14.1-14.6

    Depends really, You should be fine with a 3.5 and 104's gapped right.

    I think wrapping the crossover will not be a sufficient gain but you can try it. The tb gets a lot of heat from the supercharger itself. I have a tb shield from zzp and while it blocks the heat from the crossover, It seems like it gets hot from the s/c anyway.

    hey...i see you made it over here...nice to see ya again...i have actually taken the intake tubing off and felt inside of the throttlebody and it was much hotter to the touch on the bottom(by the crossover) than anywhere else...your right probably not too much of a gain but couldnt hurt i guess...i'd be pleased to be under 14.5...did anything else to your car??



    anybody else??
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    i think i will go with the 180 drilled t-stat and the 104's with the 3.5 just to let everyone know...thanks for all of the help guys
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    I went with the AL104 when I got my GTX. I have a 3.5 SLP Pully, 2.5 SLP Catback, Ram Air, Ported TB and SC, 180 Tstat, UBend Delete, modified 1.9 Rockers and a DHP Tune on my PCM as well.

    I was going to switch out my plugs so I spoke with Lee, who I would say knows his cheese about plugs He told me to check my current plugs to see if smelled gasoline on them and check to see if they were burned or charded, indicated a not complete burn off of the gas at the sparkplug (if I am saying that right? I am sure Lee will gladly correct me ).

    I pulled a couple of the front ones out and they checked out OK. No smell of gas and they were actually quite clean after almost a year's wear on them. So I decided to stick with the 104's. My car doesnt seem to mind them to badly.

    My Goal is to go to a 3.4, but I wont go there until I get my headers on my car. Once there I will have Trannyman do his magic on my PCM to really tweek it out and then see how a 3.4 would run on my car. But from all indications so far, it should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeddyLee View Post
    I went with the AL104 when I got my GTX. I have a 3.5 SLP Pully, 2.5 SLP Catback, Ram Air, Ported TB and SC, 180 Tstat, UBend Delete, modified 1.9 Rockers and a DHP Tune on my PCM as well.

    I was going to switch out my plugs so I spoke with Lee, who I would say knows his cheese about plugs He told me to check my current plugs to see if smelled gasoline on them and check to see if they were burned or charded, indicated a not complete burn off of the gas at the sparkplug (if I am saying that right? I am sure Lee will gladly correct me ).

    I pulled a couple of the front ones out and they checked out OK. No smell of gas and they were actually quite clean after almost a year's wear on them. So I decided to stick with the 104's. My car doesnt seem to mind them to badly.

    My Goal is to go to a 3.4, but I wont go there until I get my headers on my car. Once there I will have Trannyman do his magic on my PCM to really tweek it out and then see how a 3.4 would run on my car. But from all indications so far, it should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeddyLee View Post
    I went with the AL104 when I got my GTX. I have a 3.5 SLP Pully, 2.5 SLP Catback, Ram Air, Ported TB and SC, 180 Tstat, UBend Delete, modified 1.9 Rockers and a DHP Tune on my PCM as well.

    I was going to switch out my plugs so I spoke with Lee, who I would say knows his cheese about plugs He told me to check my current plugs to see if smelled gasoline on them and check to see if they were burned or charded, indicated a not complete burn off of the gas at the sparkplug (if I am saying that right? I am sure Lee will gladly correct me ).

    I pulled a couple of the front ones out and they checked out OK. No smell of gas and they were actually quite clean after almost a year's wear on them. So I decided to stick with the 104's. My car doesnt seem to mind them to badly.

    My Goal is to go to a 3.4, but I wont go there until I get my headers on my car. Once there I will have Trannyman do his magic on my PCM to really tweek it out and then see how a 3.4 would run on my car. But from all indications so far, it should be fine.

    Thanks for the info!!! It really helps ppl out when you list exactly what you have and more importantly how the car is running WITH THAT SETUP. it helps me out sometimes anyway lol....nice car btw
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    Yep, when I bought my car he took the downpipe off and left the 3.4 on... I get a lot of knock if I go into throttle, so I conserve gas a lot better never getting on the throttle! When I ran the 1/4 mile I was pretty scared so I put some race fuel in it and it helped a little but I was still knocking.

    I have coated pacesetters, flo pro resonator + manual cutout I just bought to put on it and I'm debating whether to do full 3" exhaust the same time or wait till I hear what it sounds like, eventually I will do the 3" when I get some more mods...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Going Too Phast View Post
    Well it is helpful to understand the Autolite heat ranges.

    606 = Stock
    605 = 1 step colder and good for stock motors to ~3.5 pulley
    104 = 2 steps colder and good for 3.4 to 3.2ish
    103 = 3 steps colder and good for 3.1 to farther than I'll ever go

    If the plugs are too cold, the plugs don't get hot enough to burn deposits off of them which will lead to misfires as they accumulate. The recommendation usually is to run the hottest plugs you can safely get away with. So your best bet is 605s. If you have one or two degrees of KR with the 605s, you could try 104s. But you can see that 103s are for more hardcore setups.

    EDIT: And I always like referring to Overkill's spark plug article.
    Ontario Quebec Club Grand Prix :: Which Spark Plugs Should I Run?
    That will feed your need for information.


    you got a time on that car with those mods in your sig??
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDCRacing View Post
    you got a time on that car with those mods in your sig??
    Haven't taken my car to the track yet. I've still got a few more mods sitting here ready to go on. After that and a tune I'll try and see what it'll run.
    .: 1998 GTP : 3.5 : PT : 1.9s : Intake : DP : Plog : 180* : 605s : UD WPP : STBs : 12" Brakes :.
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    let us know for sure!!


    hey before i start a new thread this is where im at...i want yalls opinion on something....

    i am trying to decide between headers and a p-log with probably a stock rear manifold maybe ported in the future....


    my goal for the car???....hmmm i guess i would be ok with 13.5 .....possible with a p-log and maybe a ported rear? with supporting mods maybe??


    i dont want to go into the motor really or change any stock exhaust after the downpipe...these are the mods i would not mind doing in the future....intercooler....rockers....ported lim and sc...throttle body ect....i would like to keep the stock cam and heads and rear mani if possible...what do you think...possible??


    my opinion is that it would not be worth the EXTRA 600 for headers...(i would want coated) and that that money would be spent better else where...

    TIA I KNOW I CAN COUNT ON YA'LL FOR SOME HELP
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    Do not get headers. With your goal, the plog/dp combo will be more than enough. Save that money for rockers and other mods. The rear PEM is not very important. If one falls into your lap for free, sure, but I certainly wouldn't pay $120 or whatever ZZP sells theirs for.

    I'll quote from my favorite source for 3800 info, Overkill, about the exhuast:
    "For mild-moderate setups, until you have a cam or run a 2.x" pulley size, the money saved by doing a Powerlog versus headers can go into modifications with bang for your buck."

    And...
    "A 2 1/2" downpipe with Powerlog will support bolt-on vehicles ideally. "

    Your goals are basically the same as mine, except I am not going to do an intercooler.
    .: 1998 GTP : 3.5 : PT : 1.9s : Intake : DP : Plog : 180* : 605s : UD WPP : STBs : 12" Brakes :.
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