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Originally Posted by blowfishRus6

larger primaries can make more hp but lose some torque. then smaller primaries make more torque but not as much hp. there is not really that much of difference. main thing is install quality

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So the S&S headers as BIO mentioned would be better that the SSAC

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Originally Posted by massivesystem

So the S&S headers as BIO mentioned would be better that the SSAC

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Yes.

WAY easier to install and will perform the nearly the same. they cost about double the price as SSAC though.

i run S&S because they are a hella well built header and it took me a very short amount of time to install them compared to the TOGs i had before them. i wont even consider buying a set of slip fit headers.

looks like I can get S&S headers from the W Body Store for $449.00 plus shipping 28.00.

Any coating suggestions? Any other thigs I will need

i pretty much bet that they dont sell them anymore. you might have to get them through the manufacturer or somewhere else that sells them.

here is there site:

!S&S Headers manufacturer of street rod, roadster, four cylinder, Japanese, VW, dirt track, mini-sprint, modified midget, dwarf-car, sprint, midget, off-road buggy, Chevrolet headers, Ford, Accura, Honda, Isuzu, Mazda, Miata, Nissan, Rabbit, Scirocco

Mike at the W-body store told me via email the follow regarding S&S Headers

Hi David. They will fit however there are better options for less money. You should take a look at the Pacesetter headers we offer which include a full bolt-in downpipe and are less money.

I ask him "I was trying to stay away from the they are 3 piece, slip fit (i.e Pacesetters, SSAC) the S & S are two piece, and use a donut gasket. The S & S headers include the weld-in downpipe w/ flex joint!

S & S are far better quality, do you disagree with this? "

I wouldn't say they are far better quality but they are better quality. As long as a header fits and it doesn't leak it's fine. The Pacesetters don't have leaking problems if basic care is taken when installing them. We don't carry the S&S anymore because you can now get a smaller primary Pacesetter. The demand just wasn't there unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by massivesystem

I wouldn't say they are far better quality but they are better quality. As long as a header fits and it doesn't leak it's fine. The Pacesetters don't have leaking problems if basic care is taken when installing them. We don't carry the S&S anymore because you can now get a smaller primary Pacesetter. The demand just wasn't there unfortunately.

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Lol it sounds like he's just trying to get you to buy pacesetters from his store, S&S header's being not that much better quality my ass. Any header that you have to weld to get it to seal, I would not call quality lol.

But anyway to be honest SSAC headers aren't all that bad, they are stainless steel SLP knockoffs at a damn good price. My only suggestion with these headers would be to replace to replace the flex section that comes with them with a ZZP interlock flex section.

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Originally Posted by Smokin2000gtp

Lol it sounds like he's just trying to get you to buy pace****ters from his store, not that much better quality my ass. Honestly SSAC headers aren't all that bad, they are stainless steel SLP knockoffs at a damn good price.

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Yes it seems so..

So I am between S&S or SSAC. S&S would cost 500+ I believe and SSAC 300

Is there any real big differnce besides price?

WHat do you think

I've got no problem buying pacesetters. As long as you use band clamps and decent gaskets they seem to install fine.

yea its not that hard to seal pacesetters.

if i didnt find a set of used SLP's i was goin to get a set of pacesetters!! like the other guys said the pacesetters are not that bad! as long as you take your time & seal them, they are fine!

I got a set of the XS-Power (Racer-Union) they work great. But install was a PITA we had to weld the collector onto the rear header and x-over, and install it as one piece. Had to pull master cylinder, throttle body and egr heat sheild. Took about 8 hours. Not bad headers just a pain to install.

I thought my 2 piece Pacesetter's were a PITA...ONE PIECE...GTFO lol

pacesetters are like...3 piece.

2 piece S&S = front header w/crossover and rear header. downpipe doesnt count.

he welded the crossover and the rear header to the y pipe. thus 2 peice design.

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Originally Posted by blowfishRus6

he welded the crossover and the rear header to the y pipe. thus 2 peice design.

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MUAHAHAHA!! Ghetto Pacerusters FTW!!

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pacerusters. haha!! that they are, all my paint melted off in the first 15 mins of start up. o well i might take them off this summer and get them coated and welded and never worry about them again.

would the egr get in the way with it all being welded??

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Originally Posted by blowfishRus6

pacerusters. haha!! that they are, all my paint melted off in the first 15 mins of start up. o well i might take them off this summer and get them coated and welded and never worry about them again.

would the egr get in the way with it all being welded??

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No...but I got rid of it...it cost me 2 cents and a Die Grinder :D

well just incase i did this before i removed mine i was wondering if it would get in the way, im sure i could get around it tho either way.

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Originally Posted by blowfishRus6

well just incase i did this before i removed mine i was wondering if it would get in the way, im sure i could get around it tho either way.

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It is just a PITA...like the "b**ch" bolt in the back of the transmission...