I did buy them from ZZP, which are used gm rockers that were modified by ZZP. So who knows how many miles were put on them and how much abuse they endured before I purchased them. Read this about the trunnion upgrade; http://www.compcams.com/WhatsNew/New...yID=1508422545 If you look ZZP's new 1.9 rockers for the 3800 engine now uses this style, that has to say something. I'm not saying my car puts out as much power as an LS engine, but take a defective stock rocker that has high mileage, was abused, then modified and used in perfomance engine. I've seen the needle bearing of a failed oem rocker stuck to a oil pan drain plug magnet and in the oil pan. Luckily there was no engine damage cause the oil pain pick up screen trapped what the magnet didn't get.