Power suggestions?

[GTpEazy]

Okay guys so I've finished up my suspension pretty much (See my suspension thread if you're curious) and I still have to make a couple of adjustments ie lateral arms, trailing arms and I have to swap for a bigger bar and I've got them all on the way and will get in spring, no point doing it now, already done way too much before winter. But now that's besides the point. Pretty soon, I'd like to start packing on a little bit of power. Let's put the transmission talk aside for a minute and give me some ideas on what would be the (cheapest) smartest way to go about a really low 13 or a high 12 second car. There is the choice of a turbo, the easy way out and honestly seems cheap for the potential, approximately $4500-5k labor + tune included from ZZP. But what do you guys suggest if I was to go with a blower build? If you see my suspension thread the car is mostly a DD/light road course car... and I see Dezebe runs a blower in his 24 hour car so I'm assuming these aren't prone to getting heat soaked as much? What would be you guys' suggestions for a cheap 12 (or really really low 13) second car? Should I just go turbo?

[ADrugDealer]

Blower can get you in the 12s, so can turbo. Transmission is your biggest worry currently.

[buck531]

Weight reduction will get you to the low 13's, high 12's pretty easy

[GTpEazy]

Blower can get you in the 12s, so can turbo. Transmission is your biggest worry currently.

I said transmission talk aside, tranny will probably be done before I stack power on... but aside from that what's an efficient blower setup to get into those numbers and how prone is this to being heat soaked? What if I intercooled a gen V? Would I be saving any more money than if I just went with a baby turbo?

[ADrugDealer]

Sorry missed that.

Youd need a Gen V, E85, headers, cam setup with a 2.8 or smaller pulley.

Turbo, youd need a turbo kit.

And just so you realize the actual cost of a transmission your looking at 6+ grand for a turbo trans.

[GTpEazy]

Sorry missed that.

Youd need a Gen V, E85, headers, cam setup with a 2.8 or smaller pulley.

Turbo, youd need a turbo kit.

And just so you realize the actual cost of a transmission your looking at 6+ grand for a turbo trans.

Where do you get 6+ grand from? At the amount of power I want ... which would be anywhere from 270 to MAX 350 I could get away with ZZP's base trans build w/ 3.29 gears which is like $3kish

W/ E85 will the motor get heat soaked? How much would Gen V + E85 w/ headers and cam run me? I understand with a cam and intercooler you can also run 2.8 on a Gen V instead of E85.

[chrsmi1]

Where do you get 6+ grand from? At the amount of power I want ... which would be anywhere from 270 to MAX 350 I could get away with ZZP's base trans build w/ 3.29 gears which is like $3kish

W/ E85 will the motor get heat soaked? How much would Gen V + E85 w/ headers and cam run me? I understand with a cam and intercooler you can also run 2.8 on a Gen V instead of E85.

With the eaton on top the motor will get heat soaked eventually. Depends on a lot of factors though. You probably won't notice the 5-10hp loss at the level you're trying to get.

My car came with the Gen V so I can't speak to the added cost of that. But my Headers, Cam E85 build ran me about $2000 in parts, tools, etc. I did all the work myself, including shift kit on the trans and DHP tune by me. Doing your own work will save you money, if you can't, double that 2k easy.

I only got down to a 3.0 on E85 with 20* timing. Never liked how the 2.8 felt. Too little timing, too much KR.

IF E85 is available in your area go with it.

[GTpEazy]

With the eaton on top the motor will get heat soaked eventually. Depends on a lot of factors though. You probably won't notice the 5-10hp loss at the level you're trying to get.

My car came with the Gen V so I can't speak to the added cost of that. But my Headers, Cam E85 build ran me about $2000 in parts, tools, etc. I did all the work myself, including shift kit on the trans and DHP tune by me. Doing your own work will save you money, if you can't, double that 2k easy.

I only got down to a 3.0 on E85 with 20* timing. Never liked how the 2.8 felt. Too little timing, too much KR.

IF E85 is available in your area go with it.

Hmmm I'm leaning more towards the turbo now... I can't do motor work at all and I'm not gonna bother trying especially no one I know can help me out. The turbo definitely makes much more sense

[chrsmi1]

Hmmm I'm leaning more towards the turbo now... I can't do motor work at all and I'm not gonna bother trying especially no one I know can help me out. The turbo definitely makes much more sense

It's gonna be expensive. Just buy a different, faster stock car dude. 4k for engine parts, 2-3k for labor & tuning, 3-4k for trans plus more for labor.

All for a FWD family car.

The reason some of us have modded cars here is because we like to work on them. IF you don't, or can't, buy something faster to start out with.

Buy an older ls1 f-body and have fun.

[GTpEazy]

But I already spent so much on suspension parts (Believe it or not the thing is a very competent handler as I'm getting used to driving with the new parts) :\ and it was hell with all the rust everywhere... literally how is everything so rusted? I fluid filmed stuff the best I could and hopefully it won't rust as much and be easier the next time around... I've spent some money on the suspension and tires already, nearly 1.5kish if I'm not mistaken... I kinda wanted to keep going.

[REDCRAPGP]

Gotta pay to play ya know. I suggest you do more research.. Modding isn't cheap especially if your unfamiliar unable to do the work yourself. Shops will kill you with labor cost. A turbo isn't just something you bolt on, you have to be able to troubleshoot and figure things out because things will go wrong! I suggest keeping it simple and just keeping the car on the road and keeping up with maintenance and maybe just touching what your comfortable with.


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[GTpEazy]

True, true... I'm getting used to the handling and the front springs seem to be settling a little, hopefully when they're 100% settled the body roll is a little less apparent but I'm really happy with where the car is now, it's gonna need an upgraded set of front brakes with the extra weight shifted to the front but before all of that I wanted to scope out what I can do power-wise... problem here is yes I can replace a couple of body panels and yes I can do brakes and I can even do a decent amount of suspension bits but when I pop the hood I've got no idea what to do... I've not been taught to do well... any work which is the main money problem. So I've got no idea what I wanna do with the car as of now, really would've loved to get some summer tires on it, a little more power and make f-bodies and mustangs look silly in a road course but that seems unlikely at this point.

[chrsmi1]

Gotta pay to play ya know. I suggest you do more research.. Modding isn't cheap especially if your unfamiliar unable to do the work yourself. Shops will kill you with labor cost. A turbo isn't just something you bolt on, you have to be able to troubleshoot and figure things out because things will go wrong! I suggest keeping it simple and just keeping the car on the road and keeping up with maintenance and maybe just touching what your comfortable with.


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Good advice. Throw an intake on her for some of that sweet blower whine and stay where you are til you are ready to go in deep.

[GTpEazy]

I've considered an F-body and I swear I should've pulled the trigger on it... But I thought snow... + a high 12 second rwd car might equal disaster for me. Fbodies would've been so much more suited for what I wanted to do, a cam, headers, have someone put em on and tune them, level 5 koni handling kit, throw on some sticky tires and at that point I'm at modern performance car territory.

[GTpEazy]

Yes I made myself an intake for the whine, it sounds really aggressive for a gen 3 ... I love the sound but it gets old.

[buck531]

Stick a full size intercooler on it, modded 1.9 rockers (valve springs), headers, 3.0 pulley and some other minor things and you should be mid-low 13's. All of course depending on how the car is running now. (tune up, etc).

[Dust]

But I already spent so much on suspension parts (Believe it or not the thing is a very competent handler as I'm getting used to driving with the new parts) :\ and it was hell with all the rust everywhere... literally how is everything so rusted? I fluid filmed stuff the best I could and hopefully it won't rust as much and be easier the next time around... I've spent some money on the suspension and tires already, nearly 1.5kish if I'm not mistaken... I kinda wanted to keep going.

So you have a full size car that handles well. Save money, buy a busted f/ox-body, drive the GP as it's supposed to be driven, and build a racekar out of a good platform.

[PaintChips97]

These cars are easy to learn on. I was never taught, I piddled around and read on these forums to teach myself. I went from doing my first oil change last summer to being fully confident about my header install coming next summer. Just keep the blower and touch on things as you learn