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    Hi guys ..changed out 3.8 L in my 2005 grand prix and now doesn't start. Car has spark at plugs and there is pressure on the fuel rails...any ideas as to what may be the problem?..The motor is out of a 2005 grand prix as I was told.

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    double check all your grounds, starter wires and harness plugs are in place. icm ground too.

    98 Buick Regal GS, F body brakes, Caddy STS wheels, tinted tails L36 bottom end, lightly ported heads, 1.95 roller rockers, headers, gen 5 N* 3.0 pulley, FSIC, 42 lb injectors, a BrandonHall rebuilt trans, DHP tuned and AEM water/Meth injection https://goo.gl/gpV5kW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottydoggs View Post
    double check all your grounds, starter wires and harness plugs are in place. icm ground too.
    Everything is hooked up including the icm ground and the 2 grounds on the bell housing bolts...1 thing I thought of was the salvage yard said the motor has been sitting inside on a shelf for a quite few years(it turns over fine thou)....it only has 43000km at least that's what they told me and wrote on the bill. I used the wiring harness off my original motor( the one that plugs into the icm , crank and cam sensor as the salvage motor had a wire broke at the icm connection plug(I also took due care in routing it around the crank pulley to make sure it was in the wire secure clips so there was no chance of it being damaged.
    I. After it didn't start I swapped the whole coil pack.
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    oh and my car has 3 grounds to the bell housing, one fat cable, the bat neg ground, and two thinner wires.

    98 Buick Regal GS, F body brakes, Caddy STS wheels, tinted tails L36 bottom end, lightly ported heads, 1.95 roller rockers, headers, gen 5 N* 3.0 pulley, FSIC, 42 lb injectors, a BrandonHall rebuilt trans, DHP tuned and AEM water/Meth injection https://goo.gl/gpV5kW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottydoggs View Post
    oh and my car has 3 grounds to the bell housing, one fat cable, the bat neg ground, and two thinner wires.
    Hmmm mine only has 2 connecters at bell housing grounds...unless there are smaller ones going into one of them....cant look at the moment as my car is in my sisters garage.
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    Since you say it has spark, I'm assuming the motor turns over freely?

    Do you have a check engine light? If so, pull the code and see what it is.

    If you have fuel pressure at the rail, and you have spark at all 6 plugs, all you need is proper timing and compression.

    Make triple sure all spark plug wires are routed correctly.
    Make triple sure all fuel injector connections are correct.
    Make absolute sure the crank position sensor is plugged in correctly, same with the cam position.

    Once that's done, let us know if it still wont start.

    "**** bills. You can live in your car but you can't race your house" -dsmuts
    Want her to stop when she's not looking karate chop her in her crotch that should quiet her for a bit or at the very least put a smile on your face -REDCOMPG
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    Quote Originally Posted by machinegunsquid View Post
    Since you say it has spark, I'm assuming the motor turns over freely?


    Make triple sure all spark plug wires are routed correctly.
    Make triple sure all fuel injector connections are correct.
    Make absolute sure the crank position sensor is plugged in correctly, same with the cam position.

    Once that's done, let us know if it still wont start.
    Spark plugs are wired correct....fuel connections are labelled so i'm sure they are right also....and crank and cam sensor are plugged in right .

    Wouldn't the engine light stay on at the key on position and not turn off until the engine started?
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    try a shot of starting fluid in the intake. maybe its got cob webs inside it.

    you did give it a tune up right, new plugs and wires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottydoggs View Post
    try a shot of starting fluid in the intake. maybe its got cob webs inside it.

    you did give it a tune up right, new plugs and wires?
    yes new plugs and wires on it.
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    mines a 98 so yours maybe different, cant hurt to look for a stray laying around. some cars dont fire up due to one of the grounds being broken off the eye loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottydoggs View Post
    mines a 98 so yours maybe different, cant hurt to look for a stray laying around. some cars dont fire up due to one of the grounds being broken off the eye loop.
    Worth a look when I get up there tomorrow, but I don't believe that is the problem as I didn't see them when I put 2 new tranny lines on it as they looked seedy and may have a small leak in 1 of them and it so easy to do when the engine is out.
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    If the motor that I put in wasn't the same year as mine.....would the knock sensor stop it from starting?
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    not at all.

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    Could get out a multimeter check to see what your getting at the injectors. Did you do a compression test when you put it in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chamberlain198437 View Post
    Could get out a multimeter check to see what your getting at the injectors. Did you do a compression test when you put it in?

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    Didn't do a compression test...not sure how to check the injectors, but I could always google it
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    take one of the marker light bulbs out of the head light, ( make sure it works) then unplug a injector, put bulb in plug socket, turn the key to run, watch the bulb. it should flash when the key is turned to run, this primes it, it wont flash again till it fires up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottydoggs View Post
    take one of the marker light bulbs out of the head light, ( make sure it works) then unplug a injector, put bulb in plug socket, turn the key to run, watch the bulb. it should flash when the key is turned to run, this primes it, it wont flash again till it fires up.

    do this^^^^^^ see if the the bulb flashes. sounds like your injectors are not getting power. check all the fuse box fuses and make sure everything is plugged in.

    98 Buick Regal GS, F body brakes, Caddy STS wheels, tinted tails L36 bottom end, lightly ported heads, 1.95 roller rockers, headers, gen 5 N* 3.0 pulley, FSIC, 42 lb injectors, a BrandonHall rebuilt trans, DHP tuned and AEM water/Meth injection https://goo.gl/gpV5kW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottydoggs View Post
    do this^^^^^^ see if the the bulb flashes. sounds like your injectors are not getting power. check all the fuse box fuses and make sure everything is plugged in.
    just turn the ignition to on or all the way as if I was gonna start the car?......also do I have to do this to each injector?
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    Lets us know what you find out. I hope you get it figured out soon, I'm sure it's driving you crazy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chamberlain198437 View Post
    Lets us know what you find out. I hope you get it figured out soon, I'm sure it's driving you crazy...

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