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    Umm wow, thanks guys for all the input, this is greatly appreciated. God you guys are just awesome!!!
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    IMO putting metal blocks instead of rubber or poly mounts is a bad idea. The main reason that they are made out of rubber is to absorb some of the resonance and energy coming from the metal going into another metal. If is better than we should also all run metal rods instead of struts and springs. I guess I don't understand how metal could be softer than poly or rubber to cause less vibration?

    I would make your own solid mounts out of fluid filled stock mounts from the auto parts store. You can fill them with either poly or black RTV you just have to decide what shore rating (hardness) you want.

    As far as vibration with poly uppers or solid lowers....It is almost a must to adjust your idle RPMs up higher. The stock setting is pretty low and doesn't account for the harder mounts.
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    comparing shocks and suspention componets to engine mounts is silly they do diffrent thisng. one supports the engine tot he chassis the other controls chassis movement and stability.

    rubber is there for comfort and reduction of customer complaints not becuase it is better. solid mounting is actualy better more power is sent to the wheels insted of being used to twist the engine on the rubber.

    look at engine plates for race cars if they where not better for racing would they use them?

    i had poly and solid lowers in my old 01 GT with an XP cam set to idel at 650rpm it was perfectly fine. the shaking did not bother me at all but it was there
    But why make it an SE?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mater View Post
    comparing shocks and suspention componets to engine mounts is silly they do diffrent thisng. one supports the engine tot he chassis the other controls chassis movement and stability.

    rubber is there for comfort and reduction of customer complaints not becuase it is better. solid mounting is actualy better more power is sent to the wheels insted of being used to twist the engine on the rubber.

    look at engine plates for race cars if they where not better for racing would they use them?

    i had poly and solid lowers in my old 01 GT with an XP cam set to idel at 650rpm it was perfectly fine. the shaking did not bother me at all but it was there
    They are both suspension parts and they both absorb energy that we don't want was my point. Putting a metal block in there is going to do nothing for adsorbing that energy.

    Power yes but ride no. I wouldn't compare a daily driver W-body to a race car. Race cars are built to race not to cruise down a city road.

    What did you have for solid lowers? Poly, metal blocks, filled mounts?

    You are probably one of the only people I know that had an XP cam and didn't change the idle from stock. I am talking about how to eliminate the shaking not living with it. I bet if you would have raised you idle you would have had no shaking at all.
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    wait wait wait, where did you find that poly filler? What auto parts store?
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    This is the stuff everyone uses. But I think you can get it cheaper at a local store possibly.

    http://www.amazon.com/3M-08609-Window-Weld-Urethane-Cartridge/dp/B000FW61EW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327366258&sr=8-1

    Or you can fill them with RTV. I chose to do RTV because I wanted a little more forgiving mount. They are sitting in my garage waiting to go in and they feel very solid.
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    i used aluminum blockes my grandpa had sitting around his shop

    and i actualy lowered the idle. stock is around 700-750



    and the engine mounts are in no way shape or form suspention components. they may do a simular job isolating energy but for complatly diffrent reasons
    But why make it an SE?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mater View Post
    I actualy lowered the idle. stock is around 700-750
    Yeah in neutral or park. lol Otherwise stock is 685 in drive. I have mine up at about 800 in drive and have no vibration at all.

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    and the engine mounts are in no way shape or form suspention components. they may do a simular job isolating energy but for complatly diffrent reasons
    Yes the mounts are considered part of the suspension. The upper mounts are too. Just because its not in a wheel well doesn't mean it's not suspension. lol

    I guess I don't understand why you are debating me about this. How many people are running metal blocks instead of poly or rubber? Not many because it's something that WILL cause more vibration.

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    Make mounts out of stock ones....Fill them with 3M Window Weld or RTV

    Increase your idle RPMs if you have vibration.
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    you are arguing with a certified tech i can tell you for a fact engine mounts, motor mounts, tranmission mounts are not part of the suspention system of an automobile. never have been never will

    also getting rid of vibration is a ride confort thing not a real issue and the only reason mounts are made from robber. grandma would complain
    But why make it an SE?



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    They affect drivetain.
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    Solid mounts, especially when cammed affect other things...like brackets and components in the engine bay.

    Ask me how I know with a 625-650 idle on a Thrasher Cam with poly mount everything. Header bolts shake loose, even Loctite'd...snapped a bolt on the AC Compressor bracket...timing chain broke. It isn't fun. Poly's are rough but I couldn't imagine running solid metal in there. There are a reason people run poly uppers and solid rubber lowers...there is a little "give" to the drivetrain parts...same with a flex pipe in your exhaust system.

    To add, an XP isn't near big enough of a cam to shake crap loose, so...I guess carry on.
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