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  1. #81 Re: Jane's 4t65e - Starting to assemble 
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    Good sh!it!

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    Thanks! I totally forgot about the Teflon ring installation on the input housing assembly. Not much to say. Here's those pictures











    Re-sizer on. Waiting for installation

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    Little more progress today. Reverse band, input housing and driven sprocket support in to check the total endplay.



    Almost 0.032" Was a little much



    Fortunately, I had the selective I needed on hand. Replaced a white with a brown. One of the benefits of building multiple transmissions. Spare parts.



    Toss it all back in, including the 2nd clutch drum, because hopefully it won't have to come back out.





    0.009"... We're good here



    Ready for this!!



    It's in. My new avatar



    It's good. (For now)



    That's as far as I can go up top until I get the 4th clutch hub.
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    I made a video too

    https://youtu.be/KSoo-yxkvgw
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    Should of said something about the 4th hub.....I think I have 3 of them (one new and 2 from transmissions I've torn apart)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMR Badass View Post
    Should of said something about the 4th hub.....I think I have 3 of them (one new and 2 from transmissions I've torn apart)
    Well, to be fair, I kinda did.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrandonHall10 View Post
    This fall/winter, I'm planning on building a transmission for my car.


    Here's what I'm planning on using for parts:
    PNH Torque convertor
    Master rebuild kit
    -New frictions, steels, seals, gaskets, and filter
    All bands
    Bonded spacer plate
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    Superior AFL valve repair kit
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    Dorman pan w/ drain plug - Junkyard poked the original
    Hardened 4th clutch hub
    Differential lube tube clamp
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    Didn't even think about asking for one here. It's not a huge deal though. They're only $30 shipped. When we do my brother in laws trans, I'll send a laundry list of needed parts.
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    So since I couldn't do anything else on the side, I moved to the bottom

    Thermal element in



    Filter seal 2-1 manual servo seal and 2-1 manual servo installed



    Check to make sure the servo pin engages the band



    Ready for the accumulator assembly



    All together



    But before I did this



    I did this, per the instructions



    Forward servo in



    Again, check for pin engagement



    Threw the filter in. James said go crazy with magnets. This is only the beginning



    HeliCoil kit, 4th clutch hub, and solenoids are on their way...
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    becareful with your placement of the magnets, there is a TSB for them interfering with the force apply motor if placed improperly.
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    Hmmm... From the research I've done, the only TSB I see related to magnets and the PCS is one adding a magnet. Something about replacing the one thin square magnet with the new larger round magnet. Also adding another to the filter body (like shown). In fact, that's exactly how the 2 year old serta unit I pulled apart was configured.

    Do you have any more info on this? And thanks for the feedback!
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    Magnets for your magnets magnets!

    Looks good man, nicely done. The next trans I do is getting some PPG Dog Box love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrandonHall10 View Post
    Hmmm... From the research I've done, the only TSB I see related to magnets and the PCS is one adding a magnet. Something about replacing the one thin square magnet with the new larger round magnet. Also adding another to the filter body (like shown). In fact, that's exactly how the 2 year old serta unit I pulled apart was configured.

    Do you have any more info on this? And thanks for the feedback!
    Same TSB, some of them online are missing paperwork regarding the magnet placement though. Placement is really what is critical here as there is reason for them being placed on certain areas of the pan, the new round magnets are what I would go with over the squares as the squares have a tendency to become overloaded quickly, that was the purpose of the TSB. While im sure that you probably wont hurt anything with the magnets where they are, I wouldnt risk potentially having an issue with interference from the magnets by going "hog wild" with them. The two on the plan are plenty trust me, having multiple magnets attached to the filter and in locations that werent originally designed for them could cause more issues then they help solve. Given how your building the trans I dont think your gonna have issues where the magnets need to scoop up a ton of material, and the rest the filter and regular maintenance can handle just fine. Hate to see you develop some phantom issue as a result of magnets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LS1Adam84 View Post
    Magnets for your magnets magnets!

    Looks good man, nicely done. The next trans I do is getting some PPG Dog Box love.
    Hey thanks! Yeah, Every time I've pulled a pan or disassembled a trans, the magnet (singular) was always beyond capacity. I plan to be super vigilant about fluid maintenance, so even if I had the standard magnet setup, I wouldn't worry about it getting overloaded. But they're $1.30 each, so why not, right?

    That dog box is in a whole different league from what I'm doing here!


    Quote Originally Posted by Spawne32 View Post
    Same TSB, some of them online are missing paperwork regarding the magnet placement though. Placement is really what is critical here as there is reason for them being placed on certain areas of the pan, the new round magnets are what I would go with over the squares as the squares have a tendency to become overloaded quickly, that was the purpose of the TSB. While im sure that you probably wont hurt anything with the magnets where they are, I wouldnt risk potentially having an issue with interference from the magnets by going "hog wild" with them. The two on the plan are plenty trust me, having multiple magnets attached to the filter and in locations that werent originally designed for them could cause more issues then they help solve. Given how your building the trans I dont think your gonna have issues where the magnets need to scoop up a ton of material, and the rest the filter and regular maintenance can handle just fine. Hate to see you develop some phantom issue as a result of magnets.
    That diagram you show for magnet placement seems to make sense. It places them close, or as close as possible, to the fluid dump points. Just my opinion though, not an engineer. I may still order up a doughnut mag, but only because it would go around the protruding portion of my drain plug. Extra insurance for that RTV to keep it from moving around in the aluminum pan. We'll see. I still have time to figure all that out. Like I say, I plan to keep a close eye on fluid condition. Having a pan with a drain plug will make it way more convenient to drop and inspect/clean everything.
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    Yeah It will be the first time i open up a manual gear box, but I am saving and should be able to pick up an R33 when they hit the 25 year mark, the only issue I have it the motor setup I want is in Australia and them Aussies are selective about who they sell to. Otherwise the gearbox is the standard manual that comes mated to the RB25 engines.
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    I didn't understand half of what you just said.

    Anyhow, Got my solenoids today. Again... Our postal service... Sigh



    Fortunately, they were pretty well packed. They made it in tact.



    Old PCS vs new



    Old TCC PWM vs new.



    The shift solenoids are nothing special, so no pics of those.

    I'm certain they test the solenoids before they ship 'em, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to check anyway. Doesn't cost anything.

















    The 1-2 shift solenoid goes back in the bag until I get the new 1-2 valve



    There sits my almost done valve body



    Leftovers



    Tossed the dipstick tube seal in. I've found that an O2 bung plug is the perfect size for keeping stuff out while it's being stored





    No clutch hub today. Hoping to see it tomorrow.
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    Nice work. Your magnets post reminded me to get some before I do my shift kit. Honestly I don't think you'll have any issues from your magnets. I will put two where the tsb says, and I'll do a few on the bottom of the filter like you did. The filter is steel, therefore it will prevent the magnetism from going up past it. Not sure I'd want to install any more anywhere else, but that will be like 4 or 5 already, that's enough lol.

    Not sure what magnets to get, and from where. Think I'll use 2 hard drive magnets on the underside of the filter.
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    I didn't see the filter collar install... did that happen on page 4?
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    I have 4 neodymium magnets over near the diff drains, rtv'd to the aluminum pan, drain plug was helicoiled and modified for a neo rod for easy accumulation inspection.

    im very nearly to putting a bypass filter setup on the cooler to make sure the fluids clean even with that screen on the pump inlet.

    get the tiniest scratch inside the filter seal bore or a non flat pump and as soon as the filter starts to plug youll start sucking air, then wonder why your line pressure fluctuates
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    Quote Originally Posted by 02NavyBlue View Post
    Nice work. Your magnets post reminded me to get some before I do my shift kit. Honestly I don't think you'll have any issues from your magnets. I will put two where the tsb says, and I'll do a few on the bottom of the filter like you did. The filter is steel, therefore it will prevent the magnetism from going up past it. Not sure I'd want to install any more anywhere else, but that will be like 4 or 5 already, that's enough lol.

    Not sure what magnets to get, and from where. Think I'll use 2 hard drive magnets on the underside of the filter.
    Thanks. I went with the generic square magnets because they were cheap and available. $1.38 at my trans shop vs $8 for the round GM magnet from Ebay. I thought about using Neo magnets, but I read somewhere about them losing their pull at higher temperatures. That could have just been someone trying to sound smart though. The other reason I went with standard magnets is their size. Sure, the Neo magnets are super strong, but they don't have as much surface area. I think they would fill up fairly quickly. Plus, it doesn't take much pull to grab a metal particle that's suspended in fluid. That's my theory anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillBoost37 View Post
    I didn't see the filter collar install... did that happen on page 4?
    Not sure what page Bill. Tapatalk vs web browser. (?) Post #87. I kinda glossed over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrandonHall10 View Post
    Filter seal 2-1 manual servo seal and 2-1 manual servo installed
    I should have posted a picture of just the seal. It's kind of important. I did take one though. Here it is

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    Good to see...I concentrated on only page 5 today
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