Thread: Built 4t65e - The results are in.

With what 300m is go for, I would say at least 1500. Plus I'm assuming you'll eventually get an upgraded higher stall converter too, so add a few hundred to that.

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But more importantly, this looks well done. Very impressive.

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Originally Posted by Very Lost

I'd guess $1500-$1700. And that's about what I'd pay for a rebuilt upgraded trans

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So you wouldn't pay for labor?

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Originally Posted by chrsmi1

But more importantly, this looks well done. Very impressive.

Thank you. I appreciate that. I really took my time on this one.

Originally Posted by 02NavyBlue

So you wouldn't pay for labor?

This was my reasoning for not throwing a cost number out. I know exactly what I paid for parts, but I didn't track the countless hours I have into:
Research
Chasing parts
Cleaning
Assembly
and so on...

That's gotta be worth something, right?

Hell yeah it counts, if you enjoyed it, that's just a bonus. Knowing everything was done just how you would like it is the real pro to doing that yourself

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Originally Posted by BrandonHall10

Thank you. I appreciate that. I really took my time on this one.



This was my reasoning for not throwing a cost number out. I know exactly what I paid for parts, but I didn't track the countless hours I have into:
Research
Chasing parts
Cleaning
Assembly
and so on...

That's gotta be worth something, right?

You're exactly right nobody ever thinks of all the pouring over details and the amount of cleaning that has to go into cleaning a transmission for a rebuild. It's a lot of work and it would be more expensive for a person to do the work, than a shop, but you typically won't get the attention to detail that you would get or make sure the parts that you specify went in. I commend you for your documentation and details on this build. I would like to pick up another drivetrain and do the same, and I am sure that I will follow along with your build as a guide along with the materials. I haven't built an automatic transmission before so this will be a learning exercise for me.

Thank you for posting the details.

Jeff

Nice build. Looking forward to it getting installed and hear how good it performs.

Hell yeah! Cant wait to see if you do any others, its a great learning experience for all of us

fvck yeah for e85 car getting a solid nicely built trans!!!

Originally Posted by 02NavyBlue

Hell yeah it counts, if you enjoyed it, that's just a bonus. Knowing everything was done just how you would like it is the real pro to doing that yourself

You're absolutely right. Even on the things that really don't matter. For example, the orientation of the lettering on the reverse servo cap... Meaningless. But I made sure it was straight, because that matters to me.

Originally Posted by J57ltr

You're exactly right nobody ever thinks of all the pouring over details and the amount of cleaning that has to go into cleaning a transmission for a rebuild. It's a lot of work and it would be more expensive for a person to do the work, than a shop, but you typically won't get the attention to detail that you would get or make sure the parts that you specify went in. I commend you for your documentation and details on this build. I would like to pick up another drivetrain and do the same, and I am sure that I will follow along with your build as a guide along with the materials. I haven't built an automatic transmission before so this will be a learning exercise for me.


Thank you for posting the details.


Jeff

You're more than welcome. I had fun doing it. I appreciate all the input I received from other members who were willing to share their secrets and suggestions. I think that will benefit a lot of people. I tried to post as many pictures as possible, because I know that's what I like. What you didn't see is all the struggles. Like, the half hour I spent trying to get the 2nd piston down. I guess that builds character... Or something like that.

Originally Posted by keatonregal

Hell yeah! Cant wait to see if you do any others, its a great learning experience for all of us

Thanks! Glad you got something out of it. I can pretty much guarantee that will not be my last build. Especially if someone bites on my craigslist ad.

Originally Posted by ImNowTylerTibbets

fvck yeah for e85 car getting a solid nicely built trans!!!

E85 and Bronze mist. A good combo. Now I just need a cam and inter cooler.

Originally Posted by Dancing Bear

Tuning in to hear how it works out. You get two thumbs up from me!

Thanks! I'm really looking forward to putting it in. I'll finally be able to drive my car without holding back! Probably this spring. Not a huge fan of working in the cold.

I'm interested to see how a transgo kit works with a trans that has the clutches tightened up. In my mind, both of those will improve shift feel about the same, seems like a pretty performance oriented setup. Should be awesome

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Since you like tools, I'll suggest another tool.

Bracket to mount trans on engine stand. HF has four wheel stands on sale at times and a bracket is a piece of cake to weld up.

Basic 90 degree with a couple of pieces in the angle to give it added support






A buddy had given me a leftover piece of 1/4" stock. Sure it was way too thick for what I needed, solid though. If you play around with a hoist on it.. you'll find where to grind a slight notch for the perfect balanced lifting spot too.

I don't have a welder or trans either.

Literally. I took the piece off the stand. Bolted it to the lower back bolt. Then planned a piece up and another across. Including enough room for the fwd band servo to be in and still turn fully on the stand. Which was covered by using that back bolt and the arm from the stand.

Brandon realizes...I just went into the cases and found a bolt that worked for that. Snapped the other week for him.


A couple of trans only cases

Originally Posted by 02NavyBlue

I'm interested to see how a transgo kit works with a trans that has the clutches tightened up. In my mind, both of those will improve shift feel about the same, seems like a pretty performance oriented setup. Should be awesome

I think so. Before the swap, I'm going back to stock shift times in the tune, just as a starting point. Should still be a pretty good kick in the pants.

Originally Posted by BillBoost37

Since you like tools, I'll suggest another tool.


Bracket to mount trans on engine stand. HF has four wheel stands on sale at times and a bracket is a piece of cake to weld up.


Basic 90 degree with a couple of pieces in the angle to give it added support


A buddy had given me a leftover piece of 1/4" stock. Sure it was way too thick for what I needed, solid though. If you play around with a hoist on it.. you'll find where to grind a slight notch for the perfect balanced lifting spot too.

Honestly Bill, I really don't mind the bench mount. That could just be because I've never had one on a stand though. The only disadvantages I see to a bench mount is,
1.) You have to plan ahead for the reverse servo removal/installation
2.) You have to test final drive end play before mounting it
3.) You can't test the oil pump drive shaft spin until it's all together and off the bench. Although, I could drill a large hole in the bench if it bothered me that much.

I may eventually build a rack. Especially now that I know a good inexpensive welder guy, but I would have to be doing a lot more trans work than I'm doing right now.

Originally Posted by DJNight2k

Bill, THAT is absolutely Genius! I have one of the GM Kent Moore trans brackets for these trans, but at the moment I don't have a bench and bench mount to attach it to.. The engine stand mount is a killer idea! Wonder if anyone sells one of those pre-made. How much would you charge to make me one? (I don't have access to a welder)

There is a generic bench mount available. Slightly cheaper then the Kent Moore piece.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190743363247...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
And for about $60 in lumber and an afternoon, you can have a really nice bench.

Originally Posted by BillBoost37

I don't have a welder or trans either.


Literally. I took the piece off the stand. Bolted it to the lower back bolt. Then planned a piece up and another across. Including enough room for the fwd band servo to be in and still turn fully on the stand. Which was covered by using that back bolt and the arm from the stand.


Brandon realizes...I just went into the cases and found a bolt that worked for that. Snapped the other week for him.


A couple of trans only cases

I'll get there eventually Bill.

Originally Posted by DJNight2k

Just for a little more clarification from you/Greg, after moving the springs around, what if any of the spacer sleeves and washers did you use around the servo pins from the kit? I thought Greg mentioned not using any spacers/washers but it looks like you have some in there. Just curious since I will be doing one this week.

Spacer placement was just as the instructions stated.

The washer I was speaking of was to be in the 3-4 accumulator housing. Decided against that. The 3 spring setup should be sufficient.