Thread: Zzp CSC Kit..Questions..

Originally Posted by SnowFlake

You can pick up a TVS these days for less than $1200, which is a better blower than the novi 1000.
The novi 1000 with the FMIC will yield about 30-40whp more than where he is right now.
It's a small CSC that is also old. For $1200 I'd be leery... Might be good for hahas around 7 or 800 bucks.

Alright, what's the tvs?

Lol not starting anything, I just had no clue about any of these, nor have I heard of this csc kit or the tvs prior to any of this. I appreciate the input from both of you and ill just look imto this stuff further. Its really not a necessity I was just seeing if thid kit was worth it n what id even need to run it. It is local like I said n if I can get it for the right price n felt it was worth it id jump on it, that is all lol.

Originally Posted by 98GrandPrixIraqVet

OP just buy the kit so bio (nick) can buy it off you later and put it on a dumped impala........... Know you want to nick

Haha yeah, ik he wants it lol.

We often see people ask, "Which is better- CSC or Turbo?" The answer would depend on your definition of "better." Here are some differences between them.

CSC's or centrifugal superchargers have a compressor housing very similar to the compressor used on a turbo. The impeller is spun by a drive pulley being turned by a belt much like the alternator, power steering pump, etc... CSCs use internal gears to speed up the impeller by a specific ratio. Because boost is dependant mostly by impeller speed, and impeller speed is dependant on engine speed, CSCs don't make very much power at low RPMs. Power comes in stronger and stronger towards the top end. While this may hurt power "under the curve", it does have it's advantages. First, not many front-wheel drive cars can put down a lot of power off the line. CSC power comes in smoother which makes launching easier. Second, the torque curve of a CSC is fairly flat. Since torque is basically a measurement of how much power the engine can make at one instant, it is what can harm an engine or transmission the easiest. Peak torque is where the engine is most likely to detonate. A CSC doesn't create the huge torque numbers that a turbo does that can easily cause detonation. Also, the trans will hold up better with the power curve from a CSC. Finally, since the exhaust on a CSC powered engine can be built much differently than a turbo engine, the CSC engine can use a more aggressive cam profile in most cases.

Turbochargers have a compressor with an impeller that is turned by a turbine wheel in a separate housing with the exhaust gasses flowing through it. Because the turbo needs a lot of exhaust in order to spin fast, it will never spool instantly even if the engine is revved quickly. However, advancements in turbocharger system technology have made excessive "turbo lag" a thing of the past. A properly built turbo system should spool pretty quickly, and because boost is load dependant, not RPM dependant, turbos can make peak boost over a wide RPM band. This helps turbos to make more average horsepower than CSCs can. Also, turbos do not take horsepower directly away from the engine the way that a CSC does in order to turn the pulley. While CSCs are pretty efficient, they can still eat up 20-30 hp in some cases. Of course this isn't bad when it is adding 200 or more HP.

Here are some comparisons:


Turbos cost less. The actual turbo itself is less expensive than a comparable centrifugal supercharger.


CSC install is easier. I can install a CSC kit in about 3 hours.


Turbo is quieter. It also quiets down the exhaust some.


The new CSC drive systems will be pretty quiet as well.


Turbos are easy to get more power out of a mild setup than a CSC. CSCs require getting yourself into a higher RPM range in order to make a lot of power.


If you have a 3800 stall converter and 3.69 gears, CSC cars will launch hard. CSC cars with these mods are relatively easy to launch and get good sixty foots. Turbo cars are difficult to launch consistently. They have the potential to launch hard, but it's more difficult to do it consistently.


If you run a turbo capable of making 800 HP, good luck spooling it off the line.


If you run a CSC capable of making 800 HP, good luck doing it without belt slippage.


Both can improve your fuel economy. (off throttle of course) Turbo can improve it more since they like taller gears (lower numerically).


Both have the potential to make more power than most people will ever need.
In conclusion, it will always come down to personal preference as well as ultimate goals in order to decide which system is "better."

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Good read right there, good to see less strain on the tranny, thats one thing id be worried about. My car has 74500 miles only and I really wouldnt want to mess stuff up. Although I understand thats a gamble you take with making more hp. Also good to see its fairly easy to hook it all up as im no expert.

Originally Posted by SnowFlake

All the TVS needs is an adapter plate machined. His DBW TB will even bolt to it.

When you did this project, many questions came up about where you got the plate done or specs so they wouldn't need to reinvent it. Do you have the name of a business and an approximate cost? It interests me, as a buddy is looking to sell a TVS.

the CSC powerband is what makes it a great addition. it gains boost per RPM so it makes the car more manageable on launches and makes peak power at peak RPM. more boost is as simple as a pulley swap, just like the m90.

and the CSC sounds ****in cool as ****.

that's what i'm talking about. CSC cars are mean.

Haha thanks guys for making me want it now haha. So what would I look for to see if anythings bad on the fmic or the sc itself. He said it wouldnt get shaft play like a turbo would..just check the fins on the ic and what else?

check for bearing play on anything that spins.

That chick who had the white Monte that was the ZZP test car back when, was just a GTwhatever cammed L36 with exhaust; tossed on an intercooled N2K kit, pretty sure it ran basement 11's.

I'm betting that's somewhere in the realm of a lot more than 280-300WHP.

You should be able to run a gen 3 or 5 s/c case with the rotors removed and lim with this kit. You would still need to buy a cap for the s/c case that runs about $50? With the l36/l26 lim/uim you would need to cap the injector holes on the head and run a N/A fuel rail or cap the fuel injector holes on the l36/l26 lim.

I modified your original title the other day, it's not a turbo, it's still a supercharger.

These kits were rarer because at the price they originally went for it was cheaper to run a turbo kit. It would be a fun kit to have.