Yeah but a new one would do it a lot easier than an older one I would think. And like we're talkin about above, I'm more of a straight line drag person myself. Not that I don't respect road racing, but it's just not my thing. And I'm not saying I hate all civics either. I was beside a B20 civic the other night, and I have a lot of respect for it. And no duh a S2000 would beat a GP on a road course, but we aren't talking about S2000s, were talking bout civics.