I was out the other night and I came up to a newer (08-09) BMW at a red light. It was either a 3 or a 5 series, never got a look at the back . I couldn't tell if he was trying to race, or just inching up to the light, so I didn't launch, but he sure did. I jumped on it and started pulling on him, he let off to turn at about 75, we were pretty much dead even till then. He may have had me by about half an inch in the front, but I think I would've been ahead a little if I'd launched like he did. Not bad considering his car probably cost about 10x what mine did.