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  1. #1 5x115 vs 5x114.3 Official Debate 
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    Hey guys,

    So I found some awesome MSR wheels for a good price. They are 18x7.5 with a 5x114.3 lug and a 42mm offset. I REALLY want to go buy them ASAP but I am a little uneasy about not riding a stock 5x115 bolt pattern. I know, I know, guys ride them all the time but there are also people out there who say it will mess up your studs and obviously THEY ARE NOT THE STOCK SIZE. After riding many different rims, styles, and fitments I know that subtle differences can and usually will give you problems. Tires and rims are nothing to mess around with and I want to avoid any problems I could possibly have(don't tell me to go stock because we all know a fresh set of wheels can make a car )!

    So please someone share some solid info on this offset difference!


    Also...if I purchase these MSR wheels what tire would you recommend in order to make my setup as close to stock as possible for maximum performance


    Any suggestions would be really appreciated! Let's get this thread going so that we can abolish this offset debate once and for all.
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    use hub centric rings with the 114.3 bolt pattern

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    That's what I've heard. Can I buy them at almost any auto parts store?
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    and 245/45/18 would be the best tire
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    I don't understand why we need an "official debate" about this topic..................

    Everyone will agree that 5x114.3 is not the stock specifications. If you are going to run outside of stock perimeters, you would use hubcentric rings.

    Many people don't, and yes, they are fine. But why risk being "THAT" guy who did have an issue???
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    Quote Originally Posted by redlinepontiac View Post
    and 245/45/18 would be the best tire
    Agreed, it will make a minimal change in your speedo read out. I think when I adjusted in HPT, it was something like .2 of a difference...........
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    They work fine, I ran a set without hub rings for over a year and. No problems at all.
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    I've been running 5x114.3 for 3 years. I'm fine

    Yes get hubcetric rings that fit our bore 70mm and MSRs hub of 73mm, it kills the vibration if you get any.

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    metal hub centric rings will last longer then cheap plastic ones from my own experience with them
    Last edited by tod1d; 04-29-2012 at 10:51 AM. Reason: my spelling of hub centric is correct you fukkers LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod1d View Post
    metal hub centric rings will last longer then cheap plastic ones from my own experience with them
    True, but there a ***** to get off when they rust to the hubs.


    Quote Originally Posted by copgtp View Post
    I don't understand why we need an "official debate" about this topic..................

    Everyone will agree that 5x114.3 is not the stock specifications. If you are going to run outside of stock perimeters, you would use hubcentric rings.

    Many people don't, and yes, they are fine. But why risk being "THAT" guy who did have an issue???
    x2. I've been running 5x114.3 wheels on my GTP since 2001.. Never broke a stud or anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkie View Post
    I've been running 5x114.3 for 3 years. I'm fine

    Yes get hubcetric rings that fit our bore 70mm and MSRs hub of 73mm, it kills the vibration if you get any.
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    do some math and look at the actual difference in measurement for the bolt patterns. its so minimal there isn't even an issue. a 5x115 wheel could have enough slop in the tolerances to equal it out with a true 5x114.3 wheel.

    and hub rings have nothing to do with the bolt pattern. they have everything to do with the hub bore.
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    Well the hub rings will take weight off the studs and put the main resting point of the car on the hubs, where it belongs, right?

    Then all you need to worry about with the other bolt pattern is.. will the studs go into the holes... which, yes they do.

    The hub lip combined with the hub ring to make it the correct size will center the wheel on the hub, so all you have to do is torque the lugs down and you're set. There really is no discussion or debate like there is for exhaust sound or intake bs. This bolt pattern works for our cars, and many people have tested that theory in long term applications. It's been thoroughly proven.

    I think those guys and places who cry about the 114.3 bolt pattern snapping lugs and damaging things are thinking about if you make the wheels lug centric and dont use a hub ring. Then I could see problems happening.
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  13. #13 Re: 5x115 vs 5x114.3 Official Debate 
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    What's there to share?

    I've ran factory wheels, and mustang wheels...

    and LOL @ people on other boards who snap wheel studs and blame it on the .7mm difference. Get real ya nubz. I ran 5x114.3 since '07 on the blue car, over 60k miles...and of which, were not easy miles...and the car was far from stock.
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    Just case you were wondering, 0.7 mm equals out to be 0.02756 or less than a 1/32" of an inch. Course by time you disperse it between all five holes, it makes a difference but still very minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeOne13 View Post
    Just case you were wondering, 0.7 mm equals out to be 0.02756 or less than a 1/32" of an inch. Course by time you disperse it between all five holes, it makes a difference but still very minute.
    Diggin the whip!! What size wheels you riding and how low is that drop? Coilovers, springs or airbags?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeOne13 View Post
    Just case you were wondering, 0.7 mm equals out to be 0.02756 or less than a 1/32" of an inch. Course by time you disperse it between all five holes, it makes a difference but still very minute.
    Isn't the measurement the distance between two lugs that are across from each other and not the radius of the pattern?
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    MRW - How to measure bolt pattern

    From center to outside of opposing hole. Like I said, the 0.7mm is minute, but does make a difference. Not enough distance to be overly concerned in my opinion. That is the purpose of the hubcentric to reduce stress on any lug that may have uneven pulling pressure from the wheel not being centered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomasz26 View Post
    Diggin the whip!! What size wheels you riding and how low is that drop? Coilovers, springs or airbags?
    Fronts are 18x8 and rears are 18x9, and riding on B&G springs.

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    I just had a guy from discount tire tell me that he wouldnt mount a 114.3 wheel on my car........then i walked out laughing.
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    Discount tire, there's your first problem...LOL
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