Dear WI union workers,

[Bio248]

please go back to work and stop *****ing because you can no longer bargain to be grossly overcompensated because youre working in a large group that they have to negotiate with. you are the reason this state is in the toilet. it's either this or raising your taxes, you pick.

thanks,
people who realize that this is a good idea because they arent idiots

[RamonGTX]

I completly agree with you! this is just a waste of time and im getting sick of turning the news on and all i hear about is this crap...

[01gpgt01]

Unions Are pretty much worthless IMO now,

[MBruneaux]

Unions Are pretty much worthless IMO now,

WORTHLESS?!?!? Absolutely not! You can ruin entire industries and countries with unions, they are used to bring societies to their knees and cultures to ruin, as all the posts here show.

[Tommyp2010]

I've never been a union worker, but I can see why it's appealing. You get to make sure you get paid a fair wage.

But, that's what minimum wage is for.

Everyone I've ever known who had to either manage a bunch of union workers (my cousin was a plant manager at GM Lordstown for a year) or had to work with them, didn't like it. From what I see, unions basically just protect lazy workers, and lets them get away with whatever they want. Many, many jobs are not unionized, and they all work out just fine. I don't see them as necessary and in fact see them as doing more harm than good half the time. Plus if a union goes on strike, it puts a lot of people out of work, and hurts those who cannot afford a strike, like MOST families.

[oneil.GTP]

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Plus if a union goes on strike, it puts a lot of people out of work, and hurts those who cannot afford a strike, like MOST families.

you do realize if a union strikes, you can still cross the picket line and goto work right?

just because they do it, doesn't mean you have to.

[csssaint12]

you do realize if a union strikes, you can still cross the picket line and goto work right?

Just because they do it, doesn't mean you have to.

scabber scabber scabber

[whitehead]

Well, either this bill gets passes or 6000 employees and teachers will be out on there ass. Dont complain when you have a job. There are plenty of people out there without one who would gladly pay a little extra for there benefits just to make 30-40k a year when there making 0. Not a huge supporter but something needs to be done.

[Bio248]

I've never been a union worker, but I can see why it's appealing. You get to make sure you get paid a fair wage.

But, that's what minimum wage is for.

the unions are still going to have the ability to negotiate salary and wages, but nothing else. it is unfair that state run programs have FAN-****ING-TASTIC benefits because of the unions. how can you retire from a state run program with benefits in the area of 50 years old? its ridiculous. the unions need to collapse and get back to basics: im better than you, that is why i get better pay and benefits. companies will always hire people who are willing to do the same work for less, it is the nature of employment. that is why people need to stand out in the workforce and make themselves NEEDED by a company, not the other way around.

either way, this is a bunch of crap and people need to wise up and face the real world. half the teachers took off to go out to madison and protest. who is teaching? no one. kids got left at bus stops all day long or dropped off at school with no one to supervise them. the only divisions left out of this cut were fire fighters and law enforcement, which is reasonable because if those guys get pissed off then the whole world is going to end.

**** unions.

[oneil.GTP]

the unions are still going to have the ability to negotiate salary and wages, but nothing else. it is unfair that state run programs have FAN-****ING-TASTIC benefits because of the unions. how can you retire from a state run program with benefits in the area of 50 years old? its ridiculous. the unions need to collapse and get back to basics: im better than you, that is why i get better pay and benefits. companies will always hire people who are willing to do the same work for less, it is the nature of employment. that is why people need to stand out in the workforce and make themselves NEEDED by a company, not the other way around.

either way, this is a bunch of crap and people need to wise up and face the real world. half the teachers took off to go out to madison and protest. who is teaching? no one. kids got left at bus stops all day long or dropped off at school with no one to supervise them. the only divisions left out of this cut were fire fighters and law enforcement, which is reasonable because if those guys get pissed off then the whole world is going to end.

**** unions.

couldn't agree more with the bold.

but, me personally. if you and i are doing the same job, we should get the same pay. were not talking management, union jobs. union jobs are extremely repetitious. yes, they're easily replaceable. but that's where a union helps the working man keep his job. without a union, a company could terminate an employee on spot, without reason. lets say an employee gives 110% everyday, no complaints, always on time, but his superior has a vendetta with this employee. for whatever reason it be. he could be easily terminated and then replaced, sometimes the next day. so now it's not about 'im better than you' it's 'i have the power to do whatever the f*ck i want'. management jobs on the other hand, are not as repetitious. and much more difficult hire into as well as replace.

i don't know anymore about the WI unions except what's been posted here. and im only looking at the union aspect of the rant, from an industrial point of view, rather than the teacher unions whereabouts.

[Bio248]

here is the best post ive heard from a guy on a local forum i am on:

My comments on the topic from earlier today.

We set this up by legislature, but because they don't agree, they flat out trying to block it from being ammended via legislature? Thats why you have the ability to vote against it. Sack up ****ers, and since when is "Majority rule" not synonamous with "democratic process"?

There is NO MONEY. Do they think my employer is going to take out loans to keep me employed? **** NO. They're going to tell me to take a pay cut, lose some benefits, or they're going to lay my ass off. Why is a state employee entitled to more than that? Morons. If they don't get their heads on strait quickly, we're going to have a whole mess of unemployed state workers. I'm fine with that. Privatize snow removal. Privatize nursing. Privatize the school systems for all I care. Its a well known fact that private companies are MUCH better at managing themselves than government, and this bull**** is a SHINING example. Also, as a side note, with the state in a budget crisis, we have senators explicitly taking our money (paid to them in their salaries) and giving it to the FIBs of all people.

Meanwhile these moron teachers union people are costing the state more money by forcing hard working parents to figure out who can take care of their kids because they don't want to show up to work. **** that. Fire them all. And then... they're also costing us money in the future because these are days of education that those kids (and college students) will never get back. So... way to go, **** up the present and **** up the future all because you're too retarded to realized that YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED. Now deal with it, and do your ****ing jobs, all of you liberal socialist loving ****s.

Oh, and while you're at it Walker, slash welfare and food stamps benefits. Both are WAY too easy to exploit. Also, I'd love to see tax exemptions for single parents under 30 go bye-bye. If you want an example, meet my neighbor. She works like 15 hrs a week as a housekeeper at a hotel, and she just bought herself a brand new 40+" TV, ipod touch, smartphone, entertainment center, whole new furniture set for one of her kids, $900 in clothes for the family...

Yeah, thats government assistance well spent. She got every tax dollar I paid in this year. **** that.

fantastic...

couldn't agree more with the bold.

but, me personally. if you and i are doing the same job, we should get the same pay. were not talking management, union jobs. union jobs are extremely repetitious. yes, they're easily replaceable. but that's where a union helps the working man keep his job. without a union, a company could terminate an employee on spot, without reason. lets say an employee gives 110% everyday, no complaints, always on time, but his superior has a vendetta with this employee. for whatever reason it be. he could be easily terminated and then replaced, sometimes the next day. so now it's not about 'im better than you' it's 'i have the power to do whatever the f*ck i want'. management jobs on the other hand, are not as repetitious. and much more difficult hire into as well as replace.

i don't know anymore about the WI unions except what's been posted here. and im only looking at the union aspect of the rant, from an industrial point of view, rather than the teacher unions whereabouts.

well, here is the problem with your post. you cannot be fired for no reason and if you do you can easily take it to court and win. that being said, if they do fire you for a legitimate reason then that is the employees own fault. they should have not done what they did to get fired. therefore, similar positions, regardless of HOW similar, pay and benefits should be based on this:

a) time in that position
b) skill and efficiency

i think skill and efficiency trumps time put into the position in all cases. i dont care if youve been there for 30 years, if i do your job better than you i deserve to get paid more. if you disagree with that, welcome to a union job where you can get away with being a pile of **** and still making a fair wage.

[oneil.GTP]

well, here is the problem with your post. you cannot be fired for no reason and if you do you can easily take it to court and win. that being said, if they do fire you for a legitimate reason then that is the employees own fault. they should have not done what they did to get fired. therefore, similar positions, regardless of HOW similar, pay and benefits should be based on this:

you can be fired for no reason. don't be so naive. it's been done, and it's still doing, today. court? the company 9 times out of 10 win anyways. the bigger man with more money will always win, even in court.

a) time in that position
b) skill and efficiency

i think skill and efficiency trumps time put into the position in all cases. i dont care if youve been there for 30 years, if i do your job better than you i deserve to get paid more. if you disagree with that, welcome to a union job where you can get away with being a pile of **** and still making a fair wage.

so which comes first, seniority or efficiency? i work with guys who've been there before you were pooping your pants. yes, i can outperform them. who couldn't out perform a 50-60 year old guy?

you apparently HAVENT worken in a union before, and to label them 'piles of sh1t' would be like me saying,

"welcome to management, where its not what or who you know, it's how much ass you can kiss to get a raise"

[Bio248]

i wouldnt join a union if i was being forced to. i dont like how they operate.

[MBruneaux]

i wouldnt join a union if i was being forced to. i dont like how they operate.

In many places you don't have a choice but to join unions.

[Bio248]

good thing im an engineer and i dont have to be subjected to unions.

[oneil.GTP]

i hired into work where there is a union. doesn't make me a die hard. you pay 2 hours out of a month for union dues. other than that, you don't have to do a damn thing with the union. they're are plenty of people who choose to side with the company over the union.

you can actually have your union dues lowered if you don't feel you're being represented right. you don't HAVE to have representation. you pay for it.

i dont have to vote, dont have to wear their shirts and i surely don't have to strike. i dont have to affiliate myself what so ever with the union. why do you people act like the union controls you.. do some homework.

[oneil.GTP]

that, or it's just WI has ****ty unions.

keep it on your side of the line. were doing good down here.

[Bio248]

the fact of the matter is if you do nothing, youre a part of it. you have to actively stay out of it to be out of it.

as far as keeping it on our side of the line: that is why obama bussed people up here from FIBville to protest with us. you gotta know once it goes through here that it is going to spread.

[oneil.GTP]

and being apart of it hurts me how? if i don't have to side with them?

it's job security. your jealous. admit it.

[Bio248]

i have all the job security in the world. so does anyone else that is in a normal union with normal agendas.

this policy change only has to do with STATE OWNED programs.