My wallet needs health care

[offroadfury6]

i'm livid.

the iraq war's cost is 715 billion and counting
cost of american wars since 2001: nearly 1 trillion.

Americans shouldn't agree to the war but accept it and give all the support needed.

We as Americans shouldn't be worried with how much tax dollers but insted the brave souls who have lost their lifes http://www.defense.gov/news/casualty.pdf

to me 715billion doesn't even come close to our soldiers lifes, its a joke if u ask me. **** the money! I will always support whatever decision our government makes for foreign war. respect it? nah but those soldiers need our support. I couldn't be more thankful for some of the people who sent us care packages. Special Thanks to Food Lion Great company in support! probably spent millions on us soldiers oversea's.

-OIF vet of 2008-2010.

[undecided]

Americans shouldn't agree to the war but accept it and give all the support needed.

i agree with this statement fully

[mcvey]

Mcvey, I have to heartily disagree with you on your apparant disregard for creationsim. Firstly, do you seriously think we could have evolved the functions we have? All the creatures that "perfectly adapted" to an environment? Why would they have ever went there if they were not? Why couldn't they have been designed to do exactly whsat they do...after all, they do it with much better results than we can. The shrimp,for example, has the best vision and most complex eye in the animal kingdom. We cannot match it with all of our science. Blood clotting? You won't believe how complex that system is, and it isnt just blood drying to cover the hole. If you are remotely interested in that argumenyt, I urge you to go to your local library and find or request a book called "Darwin's Black Box" and no,itsnot a christian resource. It uses the word god only once,to let the reader know the author doesnt believe in it.

There's no sense in arguing about pseudoscience with you. You are completely set in your opinion as I am with mine(and the rest of the scientific community) and any rational discussion will not change anything. Nothing I say or show you will change your opinion. I'm sorry you're stuck in the dark ages, that's unfortunate. Hope you make it out okay.

[offroadfury6]

I went alil off-topic lol...got into too much, I just wanted to throw my pansy .2 cents in

[arc]

There's no sense in arguing about pseudoscience with you. You are completely set in your opinion as I am with mine(and the rest of the scientific community) and any rational discussion will not change anything. Nothing I say or show you will change your opinion. I'm sorry you're stuck in the dark ages, that's unfortunate. Hope you make it out okay.

Jesus christ, Mcvey. Here I was, trying to have a civilized conversation with you. I may be set in ym ways, but I'm much better supported than yourself. "The rest of the scientific community" disagrees with you more than you think. But of course, you're no longer interested in having an argument or discussion like before when you can be counted wrong. Science isn't just opinion, after all. Reject the claims you cannot support? No, just change facts. Just cover them up and talk louder, right? **** you. I'm tired of people like you bashing everything you find unbelievable, not because your position is secured in the least, but because you would refuse to believe otherwise and have your life turned upside down. For you, the revalation that something superior to you made all of this would destroy you. It would point to Christianity, and god forbid your flaws would come out. No one wants to feel that shame, do they?

No, people like you would rather clap their hands over their ears, spout nonsense, and ridicule the other side when things stop being simply "this is what I think, that is what you think" and move on to "This HAPPENED." A great quote, who i don't know who to attribute to:

We can't observe history. That doesn't mean we shouldn't believe in it. Darwinism deals with history. Creationism deals with history. Don't confuse history with science; scientific observations made today can be used to formulate possible ideas about historical events, but science itself must be observable and repeatable.

I'll check this thread one more time, and if you think you want to have a proper discussion of this, feel free to do so and so will I. If not, go back to your faith in evolution and regarding Science as a religion in and of itself, but until YOU can bring anything substantial by way of proof, then don't bother trying. Your argument has more holes in it than mine does, buddy.

[mcvey]

I'm sorry but I don't really feel like arguing about evolution with somebody who doesn't believe in it. There really is no point. If someone hasn't accepted that evolution is the reason we're here by now, there's no way I'm going to sway them from their beliefs. You've got your faith(and that is it. Don't make me start debunking stuff, I really don't want to) and that's that. There's no way I'm going to break that with the vast amount of scientific data, studies and papers on evolution unfortunately.

There's no point in debating this. I'd rather pound a nail into my dick than argue with a creationist.

[offroadfury6]

uhhh...I'd much rather argue than take that route!

[Sudden]

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed. UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when.. when... wait for it... when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all ok with you but helping other Americans.........That is just un-American

You don't know when we got mad. And as far as that goes just about everyone was ready for Bush to leave. Obama just did the Bush spending up several degrees and respects our Constitutional freedoms even less than Bush did.

As far as God goes, many scientists believe in God. Evolution has many flaws. What does believing evolution gain you. I don't see the gain. Evolution is all the proof haters need to say one race is inferior to theirs. Can you prove all races evolved at the same rate? I think it was espoused by University of Western Ontario psychology professor J.P. Rushton that different races evolved at different rates. Many eary adopters of Evolution were racist and used evolution to "prove" their ideas.

[mcvey]

You don't know when we got mad. And as far as that goes just about everyone was ready for Bush to leave. Obama just did the Bush spending up several degrees and respects our Constitutional freedoms even less than Bush did.

Prove it.

As far as God goes, many scientists believe in God. Evolution has many flaws. What does believing evolution gain you. I don't see the gain. Evolution is all the proof haters need to say one race is inferior to theirs. Can you prove all races evolved at the same rate? I think it was espoused by University of Western Ontario psychology professor J.P. Rushton that different races evolved at different rates. Many eary adopters of Evolution were racist and used evolution to "prove" their ideas.

Edit: Actually, you know what? I'm not even going to dignify this with a reply. There's absolutely no point in debating this. Nothing is going to come of it.

[Sudden]

Edit: Actually, you know what? I'm not even going to dignify this with a reply. There's absolutely no point in debating this. Nothing is going to come of it.

Finally something we agree on. Theologians have debated this for many years it would be a waste of time to do that here.