AWD Car with Manual Transmission (NO JAP CRAP)

[Bio248]

for less than $20k you're not buying anything worth buying.

i'm out.

[BoostenGTP]

40k obviously not lol I'm a kid but my family will be helping me so 15k range could be doable.

my Grand Prix was given to me by my aunt when she wanted a new car so that is still considered a luxury to me cuz k never could have afforded it at 16

How about buy your own shit so you can actually appreciate what you own instead of bashing a car brand/region you've never even driven. Grand Prix's suck, yet you own one. Cool story. This thread does not deliver.

[winterstorm]

yeah idk if I'd be able to afford a 2012 car lol. plus the suspension issue you pointed out is a turn off

oh and Dave wut u said about the volvos with the differentials did the 2007 have those issues cuz u only told me up to 2005

[Matt Palm]

i thought you were making your gp a rwd v8

[winterstorm]

How about buy your own shit so you can actually appreciate what you own instead of bashing a car brand/region you've never even driven. Grand Prix's suck, yet you own one. Cool story. This thread does not deliver.

how bout you worry about how your life and I'll worry about mine and how I get my cars. my family offered to help me with the car because they want me to have a good commuter car that handles well in snow. I'm not going to turn down an offer like that

[winterstorm]

i thought you were making your gp a rwd v8

I will be, I'm not selling the gp

[MrPoopyButthole]

I can down the list of every manual AWD car and tell you want is wrong with them.

E46 BMW - they crack their frames, $8000 repair. M3's are more prone due to the power level but E46's exhibit the problem

E90 BMW - HPFP issues

Volvo S60R - Explodes their Diffs

Subaru WRX/Legacy - Throws their rod bearings

Audi S4 - B5's kill turbos and expensive beyond believe; b6 & b7 have the v8 and you have to pull the motor every 100k miles to change out the timing chain and tensioners

Audi A4s - b5, b6, b7 all exhibit electrical issues

Saab 9-3 Turbox - No AWD parts, good luck fixing it

MazdaSpeed 6 - Blow up their diffs

BMW e60 - are just ugly, bmw idrive is buggy, HPFP issues

Mitsu Lancer - nothing really, just impossible to maintain and stupid expensive

VW R32s - Golf 4's are getting old, electrical issues; Golf 5s have just the DSG, Golf R has issues with the TFSI motor.

[BoostenGTP]

Kids like you are the reason this society is fucked. Just take hand outs and don't work or appreciate anything they own. EVERY person in this thread has given great advice and tried to help you, yet you still sit there behind your computer desk that your Mommy and Pops probably bought you too and throw a bitch fit about Japanese cars. There is a reason 80% of the cars on the roads today are Asian. Think that through, maybe you'll knock some sense into yourself.

[Bio248]

Subaru WRX/Legacy - Throws their rod bearings

they have ringland issues more than the bearings. they break pistons, then break everything else with it.

[MrPoopyButthole]

So you see any car you buy, you are faced with issues. All Cars break, all cars have had some kind of recall in their life time. This is the joy of the hobby of owning a car.

[Matt Palm]

my car was given to me by my 94 year old great grandma before she died. i worked my ass off to take car of this thing. i take pride in it. i dont treat it like i can just get another car whenever i want i dump money into it for upkeep why? becuase i dont wanna be that guy who had a car given to them and give no cares about it cuz my parents will just buy me another car

[MrPoopyButthole]

The new fusions are Manual and AWD have the 1.4L motor...have fun with that.

[Odi]

general motors is using and developing most of their **** in korea or europe. ford used chinese and japanese parts since forever, chrysler is ****ing italian now... most american cars now (with both parts and assembly in us) are both toyota and hondas (accord i think is 90% mericun). booyah.

edit: all of the above's ceo's are dumping their mericun earned money internationally to avoid us taxes.

[RareGMFan]

at least with European cars you are generally getting what you pay for

Really? You're paying for electrical problems, bad window motor regulators, plastic water pumps that give out, numerous computers that fail constantly, etc? I love the design and refinement of most European cars, but let's get real. They are no more reliable than many American cars. Difference is, when something breaks on a European car, you'll be paying out your nose to fix it.

[jerZcavy4120]

be a man and buy a truck.


and for your logic.

buy a 94 cummins and make it stupid fast and crash it into a tree, or let it rust away





* and like my friend Odi said..


unfortunately for you.. new Hyundai's are more American than the GP you drive.

[MoarkatsINmuhtrailer]

general motors is using and developing most of their **** in korea or europe. ford used chinese crap since forever, chrysler is ****ing italian now... most american cars now (with both parts and assembly in us) are both toyota and hondas (accord i think is 90% mericun). booyah.

edit: all of the above's ceo's are dumping their mericun earned money internationally to avoid us taxes.

No you're a ****ing idiot.... Asian cars are the devil

[Matt Palm]

or blow the trans like you would in a gp

[winterstorm]

Kids like you are the reason this society is fucked. Just take hand outs and don't work or appreciate anything they own. EVERY person in this thread has given great advice and tried to help you, yet you still sit there behind your computer desk that your Mommy and Pops probably bought you too and throw a bitch fit about Japanese cars. There is a reason 80% of the cars on the roads today are Asian. Think that through, maybe you'll knock some sense into yourself.

you have no idea who I am or wut I do with my life. how dare u say I'm like that. I work my ass off with school cuz I want to be a doctor. I work my ass off there for the grades I need and it's damn hard. I work 30 hours a week on top of that. and my car is my baby I don't treat it like crap. I really appreciate wut my aunt did for me and I get that I am very lucky. so don't be saying that I'm wuts wrong with society when I have no idea who I am or wut I do

[BoostenGTP]

I work my ass off with school cuz I want to be a doctor. I work my ass off there for the grades I need and it's damn hard.

Your Grammar shows me otherwise.

[winterstorm]

be a man and buy a truck.


and for your logic.

buy a 94 cummins and make it stupid fast and crash it into a tree, or let it rust away

I considered it but wut truck has a stick anymore? I can't think of any