Hippo's Audio Build Help

[Hippo Machine]

I don't know anyone who can build an enclosure for me. I want a pre assembled sub because its cheaper and easier for someomelike me who knows very little about audio, and it went break the bank. I like the bandpass enclosure because it seems like agood mix of the other two types of enclosures. Well that amplifier work with this sub?

I didnt really see any bad reviews on those teeters so I was hoping they would be good.. I'll return them if they are tinny

[Fatboy501]

Do you have basic woodworking skills? If so, I can throw you some plans for a ported enclosure. A sheet of wood, some screws, and some wood glue should be attainable for under $50. Honestly, a single decent 12" ported, such as a Skar VVX or a Sundown SA series or an Obsidian, will outperform that Dual bandpass.... by far. Single SKAR VVX-10/12/15 Custom Ported Box Package Deal - Car Audio Classifieds check that page out... a single vvx 12 with a ported box built to YOUR SPECS. While it is a bit pricier than the bling-bling Duals, the performance difference is night and day, I promise you. That amplifier will suffice, since these drivers I've recommended only need 600 watts. As far as that prefab 4th order... yeah, that's really a joke once you start looking at proper bandpass enclosures.... they're big.

[Hippo Machine]

My dad and I arent actually bad at woodworking, so if it would save alot of money while getting the same performance, then I could do it. I'm thinking dual 12's or 10's of a better brand in a ported or sealed enclosure, whichever sounds better, built to the specs of the speakers. Any help with this would be appreciated, I think kickers were recommended earlier in this thread but I'll consider any! Thanks

[I800C0LLECT]

hrmmmm. usually speakers are already out of spec from posted T/s. That's why I just stick to sealed

[Hippo Machine]

Anything wrong with the loaded kicker dual dc12 loaded enclosure? The pre fab ones are so appealing to meeee

[SeanGTP]

not really, but again, you can get the EXACT same thing for cheaper by building your own box. Kicker DC12 is like 180 bucks, the two subs in there, $100 total, a better box, maybe $50 in parts.

[blakgtp]

i got one type r 12 and built a 2.5 cubic ft box, tuned at 28hz. i have the same hifonics amp that seangtp posted earlier. sounds pretty good. sub-$130, amp-$120, box materials around $50

[Hippo Machine]

My lack of knowledge would probably prove deadly building an enclosure.. I'm gonna go with those kickers in the ported box, paired with the mean machine m2500.1d amplifier. I think the information in that link for the amplifier was wrong, cause another thing said it was 625w rms 1250w peak, which would be perfect for this sub. Plus the capacitor is an added bonus!


Anybody have any tips for installing those tweeters? I'd rather not tear anything up but I'll modify the stock enclosure if necessary

[blakgtp]

u can look up box plans for a sub/subs or someone can do it for u, please dont buy a prefab ported enclosure

[Fatboy501]

Once again... Single SKAR VVX-10/12/15 Custom Ported Box Package Deal - Car Audio Classifieds . A little extra money, but it comes with a PROPERLY constructed enclosure to fit YOUR car, and tuned to where YOU want it tuned. In any case, good luck with whatever you choose.

[SeanGTP]

Now THAT is a good deal. SKAR subs are ridiculous. But based on what you've said up to now, it's probably not a good fit. They're made to hit low low lows, not so much highs.
Also, rock/metal - 10s,
hip-hop/pop/some rap - 12s,
some hip-hop/rap - 15s

Basic buyers guide to subs. I switched over to listening to more metal recently, sounds like **** on my 12s. I'm possibly thinking about squeezing in a couple 10s, and putting in a switch to flip flop between my 4 12s and the 2 10s... how it will fit i've yet to figure out.

[Hippo Machine]

Fatboy: those are nice and its a great deal for what you get, but its really out of my price range, and the kickers should be more than enough for me.


Now about mounting those tweeters..

[Fatboy501]

Now THAT is a good deal. SKAR subs are ridiculous. But based on what you've said up to now, it's probably not a good fit. They're made to hit low low lows, not so much highs.
Also, rock/metal - 10s,
hip-hop/pop/some rap - 12s,
some hip-hop/rap - 15s

Basic buyers guide to subs. I switched over to listening to more metal recently, sounds like **** on my 12s. I'm possibly thinking about squeezing in a couple 10s, and putting in a switch to flip flop between my 4 12s and the 2 10s... how it will fit i've yet to figure out.

That is a very false statement. The way a subwoofer plays depends upon many variables, from the sub itself (thiele/small parameters, NOT the size of the sub), to the enclosure its in, to the environment that the enclosure is in (the vehicle).

Also, the Skars are alright on the lows... not exactly low-end monsters though.

Hippo... the price range thing is understandable. If you will build it yourself, or get one built, I will supply you with a design for a ported enclosure for whatever sub/subs you choose to run, unless you decide to run sealed. I'm not the best designer in the world, but I can sure get you much better performance than a pre-fab. Honestly, if you insist on going pre-fab, I'd highly recommend going sealed...

As for the tweets... no clue man lol, my stockers are still in place although they're not being used.

[SeanGTP]

That is a very false statement. The way a subwoofer plays depends upon many variables, from the sub itself (thiele/small parameters, NOT the size of the sub), to the enclosure its in, to the environment that the enclosure is in (the vehicle).

All considered, it's true to an extent. It's more of a rule of thumb guide, not a technical set of specs. Rock/Metal is going to use more quicker, more precise beats. You'd mostly want 10s in a sealed box. pop and hip hop tend to have some quick precise notes and some heavier, lower, long notes, making twelves in either sealed or ported boxes suitable, even better if you go bandpass. rap typically focuses on lower longer heavier beats, so if you can fit them, 15s in a ported or bandpass box is a better match, but 12s would still do.

as i said, rule of thumb

[Fatboy501]

No... not a rule of thumb. I can see how the logic behind it may make sense until you learn more about it, but it's wrong, plain and simple.

[SeanGTP]

Well that and i've heard it all too. I've got 12s. Rock sounds awful, some rap sounds okay. Buddy of mine Noah had 10s in his GPGT, rock sound tons better, rap was blah, hip hop was okayish. Another friend of mine Brody has a single 15 ported ghetto style in his GPSE and rap songs on his kick ass compared to mine, rock sounds even worse than mine, and some of the more midrange and higher stuff in some pop and hip hop songs kinda sucked, kinda.

If a 10 is smaller, it can move faster, and have a lower xmax, and so songs with shorter quicker beats will be reproduced precise and tight. Then moving on up the scale applying similar principles to other sizes. 15s are bigger, heavier, will move slower, longer further excursion for longer lower beats.

Granted I could make rock sound good in mine by using a sealed box.

[Fatboy501]

Well that and i've heard it all too. I've got 12s. Rock sounds awful, some rap sounds okay. Buddy of mine Noah had 10s in his GPGT, rock sound tons better, rap was blah, hip hop was okayish. Another friend of mine Brody has a single 15 ported ghetto style in his GPSE and rap songs on his kick ass compared to mine, rock sounds even worse than mine, and some of the more midrange and higher stuff in some pop and hip hop songs kinda sucked, kinda.

If a 10 is smaller, it can move faster, and have a lower xmax, and so songs with shorter quicker beats will be reproduced precise and tight. Then moving on up the scale applying similar principles to other sizes. 15s are bigger, heavier, will move slower, longer further excursion for longer lower beats.

Incorrect. Xmax of a subwoofer has nothing to do with its size... it's in the design of the sub itself. There are 15s with lower xmax than some 10s. So, by your theory, a Lanzar sh*tbox 10 will be more precise on rock than, say, an Image Dynamics IDQ 12? Or even a JL 13w7? Also, how a subwoofer performs is all in the enclosure and the environment it's in.

[KeithGTP03]

Now about mounting those tweeters..

The dimensions are 5.4" x 5" x 2.7" deep. You are going to need to break out the fiberglass if you want to put them in the factory position. You realize that most 5 1/4's that go in the door are only 2.5" deep? I would say to make your own pod and move them around the car and see where they dont overpower everything. Once you find it, mount them there.

[KeithGTP03]

how a subwoofer performs is all in the enclosure and the environment it's in.

Precisely.

[SeanGTP]

But you're missing the point, he's not going for an all-out full blown system, he's looking for a tight daily system. When you start looking at high end subs, of course their is going to be huge differences. I mentioned the enclosures, as far as environment, again, it's a daily setup, it'll certainly be in a standalone box in the trunk of a GP. Regular, low-budget average subs, are typically going to be as i stated. I've messed with kickers 10s, 12s, and 15s, and they're pretty standard and pretty much i stated.

Again, key point: daily setup.

That's one of the reasons I stated the Skarr sub probably wasnt the best fit for him. Skarrs have huge excursion and play some pretty low frequencies. That's why the same company makes Obsidians and Sundowns, same general concepts, a few different parts meant for different applications.

I mean, in all fairness you're 100% correct, but that's looking at things from competition standpoint, hippokid is looking at things from a "give me something that works" standpoint.