bill, i wasent asking you guys to diagnose the problem... really i just wanted to make sure it wasent common to have a loud tick like this.. and maybe some insight into the right direction to look, wich you have done and i appreciate that very much... now i know i may have a problem, and its not just new car jitters, and i need to look further into it... thank you for your help sir. im still going to try and get a vid up of this though