Ideal timing

[01gpgt01]

Like i said, i dont have much time with everything else goin on. I go to work, get home and go to work on the farm. I have just about enough time to see a few posts and then leave. Also, the laptop im on hates this forum, i type a message, then it just sits and acts like its loading. If i post right away, it lets me edit all I want, so you may see some of my posts with some bs in them, im usually editing them so i can actually post... lol

To the OP, what mods do you have on your car? Can't really suggest anything without knowing what you have done to it so far. All i can tell is from your avatar it looks like your running an intercooler or a shiny rad? But if you say your running a 3.4-6ish pulley, i doubt you have an intercooler? I would just have a couple of different tunes and play with it at the track.

Mods are l36 block and heads, ZZP m90 SS kit. ported blower, ported LIM, L67 TB, Headers, SSIC, pump rewire, GTP FP and injectors. 3.4 pulley on mine is like a 3.2/3.1 on a gtp FWIW. Im not looking for to many suggestions. Im just really looking to see whats a faster set up. Ive uped to a 3.6 pulley from a 3.4 with 18 WOT timing that had todrop to 16 at the shift to stop knocking. the 3.6 I can run 19 all the way thru and it feels far faster.

[copperpacecar]

I said his advice sucks because he didn't offer anything other than our advice sucks.

If my advice sucks, I wanna know why, because learning is good.

Oh i see what happened here.... The bastard edited it AFTER I POSTED!@#

So now i look like an ass.

Thanks guys for reading the times on these things...

When I posted this is all that was there: There is a lot of fail in this thread

Or something to that effect.

Fosho... I shake my fist at you....

didnt this all start though with matt telling me u cant do what i and others have been doing for a while now (only two months for me) matt u are being far to quick to add imput that is wrong, based on your experiences (which are limited) have you ever tried running 28 degrees of timing? im assuming no. have you ever know anyone to try? i assuming no again. if not then why where you (and have been multiple times in different threads before) so eager to shoot down and critisize what others are doing when u dont know yourself what works..grant it you may have a lot of experience or you may not but ive seen a lot of times you putting your foot in your mouth because you act like you know everything instead of just knowing what you know and learring the rest. i dont have all the answers by far but im also not too quick to shoot down everyone elses experiences and ways of tuning. u need to start listening a little more and writing a little less espectially when the comments u make (wrong or right) benefit no one

[copperpacecar]

and to break the tension i give u the number one member of gpf...banana man! dont you all feel better now watching our friend dance?

[Bio248]

i can say that im on the same boat that thinking 26* WOT is excessive. i would back it down to around 20* WOT and run more boost, but that's just me.

[TheOtherNick]

Just buy a dyno. problem solved. lol I am with nick I liked more boost with 18-20* of timing. when My car is runnning again I will be playing with it a lot.

[matt5112]

didnt this all start though with matt telling me u cant do what i and others have been doing for a while now (only two months for me)

You can't do it. Its against the law.

matt u are being far to quick to add imput that is wrong,

So you'd rather no input... i see...

based on your experiences (which are limited) have you ever tried running 28 degrees of timing? im assuming no.

I dont have a tuner.

have you ever know anyone to try? i assuming no again.

Nope.

if not then why where you (and have been multiple times in different threads before) so eager to shoot down and critisize what others are doing when u dont know yourself what works..

I read it on the internet. Can you believe that?

grant it you may have a lot of experience or you may not but ive seen a lot of times you putting your foot in your mouth because you act like you know everything instead of just knowing what you know and learring the rest.

So theres a problem with having an opinion and expressing it and when being confronted with evidence that tells me i'm wrong I modify my position based on the evidence at hand?

i dont have all the answers by far but im also not too quick to shoot down everyone elses experiences and ways of tuning. u need to start listening a little more and writing a little less espectially when the comments u make (wrong or right) benefit no one

a comment that is correct benefits no one? And you got thanked for this post?

[FoSHO99]

i can say that im on the same boat that thinking 26* WOT is excessive. i would back it down to around 20* WOT and run more boost, but that's just me.

Most of the time 26* would be excessive, but for some*** setups you can get away with it. This is also with race gas/e85. No one without a lot of experience or if it doesn't bother you at all to change head gaskets should try timing higher than 23*. They also do this on a curve, not just a flat-out 26* during WOT. They do something like 20 at 5000 rpms, then 22 at 5500 rpms, then24 at 6000. The timing raises with the rpm.

Any intercooled car or with race gas should be running a little leaner than most. Your buying the elements to keep the car less prone to knock, mise well use it while making more power. I'd say in the 11.9-12.2 range is where the most power may be had.

[GAFF]

imput

[copperpacecar]

i can say that im on the same boat that thinking 26* WOT is excessive. i would back it down to around 20* WOT and run more boost, but that's just me.

which is 100% the plan but im maxing the injectors now and dont see the point in any upgrades till i rebuild the motor in december so for now im sticking with 28 although as soon as the injectors go in a smaller pulley will go on and that number will come down

[copperpacecar]

i no read good but ill leave it there and not correct it cause the laughing spinning head is so much fun to watch

[copperpacecar]

You can't do it. Its against the law.



So you'd rather no input... i see...



I dont have a tuner.



Nope.



I read it on the internet. Can you believe that?



So theres a problem with having an opinion and expressing it and when being confronted with evidence that tells me i'm wrong I modify my position based on the evidence at hand?



a comment that is correct benefits no one? And you got thanked for this post?

again u shoot yourself in the foot here...first off since when is it illegal to run more timing? thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard. even if it was somehow illegal i doubt it would be the first mod that has been done here thats frowned apon my local governments and the epa. second u admit that your not a tuner but yet again your shooting down tuner related opinions and setups. i dont know **** about transmissions and u better believe i refrain myself from posting critisizm and negative input in the tranny section. third where did you read that it couldnt be done besides this thread which also supported the notion that it could be done although was advised against. fourth try speaking form experience of state ahead of time that you read it somewhere else but if you have no experience and have third party info post the link so you dont look stupid in case the other guy is wrong...no use taking blame for someone elses disinformation. and lastly , no we want your input, but your input should be more that u tasting your shoe. read, learn, try, experiment, fail, try again, go faster, go slower but learn and then share what u know even if u **** up along the way but do the above steps first. i dont know everything but if im not 100% sure about something but for some reason feel the need to post anyways then i say on the post that im not 100% sure and leave the know it all stuff to the people who do know it all or just pretend really well like bio and blue lol oh and i got thanked for the post because you are gaining a reputation for doing this and putting your foot in your mouth and they are probebly happy someone said something..not that we want you to leave or be silent..we simply want you to slow down