So I went to the track right?

[TDCRacing]

yeah i learned real quick....but if im on the street and floor it it will only spin until about 4000rpm's in first and thats it.....so i figured the track would be better...it usually is just not that night i guess...but i did manage to pull a 2.1 off also...somehow lol

[Iron Indian]

It's nice to set a car up for race form, but when you have a relatively stock car and start telling everyone you ran a 13.XX at the track and then they smoke you on the streets, it's a slap in the face. I think daily drivers should be kept in street trim for the track unless you have a serious daily driver... My .02 cents

I agree with this statement 100%!!! I thought I was the only one who thought this, at least in the GP world. There used to be a guy here years ago with a GTP he would talk alot of **** and call his car a "13 sec street car" but he always had tons of track prep done to it such as pressure adjustments, 100+ octane and a smaller pulley, gas tank damn near empty for each pass... I even see him put some VHT stuff on his tires and even at one point he gutted the damn car. I thought it was quite hilarious honestly.

Maybe i'm an idiot but everytime i've ran a car at the track, its had 1/2-full tank of gas, pump gas, spare/jack, tool box, and I don't touch the tires. Only thing i will do is ice the S/C when I get there from a long drive, but once I get to staging lanes and wait it back warm (before being ICed obviously). I want to be able to say a time and that what it really runs on the street. Thats why i'm hesitating on getting slicks, I wanna find a sticky street tire I can always run on the car. So far i'm not finding anything good enough though. So I may have to cheat a little.

[TDCRacing]

I agree with this statement 100%!!! I thought I was the only one who thought this, at least in the GP world. There used to be a guy here years ago with a GTP he would talk alot of **** and call his car a "13 sec street car" but he always had tons of track prep done to it such as pressure adjustments, 100+ octane and a smaller pulley, gas tank damn near empty for each pass... I even see him put some VHT stuff on his tires and even at one point he gutted the damn car. I thought it was quite hilarious honestly.

Maybe i'm an idiot but everytime i've ran a car at the track, its had 1/2-full tank of gas, pump gas, spare/jack, tool box, and I don't touch the tires. Only thing i will do is ice the S/C when I get there from a long drive, but once I get to staging lanes and wait it back warm (before being ICed obviously). I want to be able to say a time and that what it really runs on the street. Thats why i'm hesitating on getting slicks, I wanna find a sticky street tire I can always run on the car. So far i'm not finding anything good enough though. So I may have to cheat a little.

hey i got a street tire for ya'll thats nice and soft....it's off of my mustang and it originially came off of a subura (sp?) wrx....a buddy that worked at sears (auto) hooked me up with them...they are like brand new... Bridgestone Potenza RE070 they are very expensive(thought they were less) just as much as slicks but these tires are bad ass....before i even got them on my car i was like...damn these things are going to grip good as hell (sorry for the language)...and they do....tread wear 180...traction:a tempeture:a check um out

[Fish]

No offense, but people scared or cant afford slicks dont like slicks. Thats just from what Ive witnessed and heard from other people.

[TDCRacing]

No offense, but people scared or cant afford slicks dont like slicks. Thats just from what Ive witnessed and heard from other people.

huh?

[UR LOSN]

perhaps it sounded better when he was thinking it?

[IndeedSS]

perhaps it sounded better when he was thinking it?

I kept reading it over and over again, just in case it was me.

[Fish]

Its not that hard to understand. I showed it to three people at work here and they understood. Ill try to rephrase.

People that cannot afford slicks, or are too afraid to use slicks, say they dont like them and are a waste of time. Phrases like "I want to know what my car runs on the street" is one of many that people use to avoid slicks.

Thats kind of like saying "Hey, Im gonna manually put a choke in my router so my internet is slower to see what kind of speed I run at."

Or

"I know garlic steak tastes awsome with some good ole A1 steak sauce, but I want to eat the entire thing without it to see if I can like it without the sauce."

Even better.

"I want to know what Xbox360 looks like without HDMI cables even though I have them. Honey, grab the components."

Why not put on an old supercharger belt, old spark plugs, wires you found in the garbage, and slash your tires so you can see what your car runs when it needs a tune up and your car was vandalized. Or add 10 bricks in the trunk so you know exactly how fast you are on the way home from Jewel.

Fact: You are never going to simulate the street on a legit 1/4 mile race track. The surfaces are totally different, a track is flat, no debris, the list goes on.

[Iron Indian]

Anybody can afford slicks, anybody can afford to put race gas in there car (if they can mod the thing), anybody can gut there interior... I don't see you point.

As for you can't completely simulate whats at the track, thats true to a point. Are you saying a gutted, slicked, race gas GP ain't going to be faster than when your driving that same car on the street w/ full interior, pump gas, street tires? Surely not. As for road surfaces, they can vary anywhere on the street too as for the track. I used to go street racing years ago with buddies, all roads are different. Also slicks will stick on the street too if heated up. Granted the VHT will help a little, not a whole hell of a lot though. IMO some people go to the track with there street cars and go a little overboard. I mean, gutting your car? Come on.

I've always respected the guys who could run fast times with there cars in true street trim. Even if later on they bolted up just a pair of slicks, there man enough to show what there cars have in them as is. The guys I used to run around with rolled there cars like this, IMO they got the most respect. I think its silly to spend 2 hours track prepping you car all crazy like some to get a time... when in reality when there car is back to were it was it would never run that time. Then they brag there car is XX car and think they can outrun everyone in the parking lot. I think thats funny personally. I donno, I guess its just the way i was brought up. That my opinion though, to each there own I guess.

[Iron Indian]

Bridgestone Potenza RE070

I don't think i've heard of those, are you sure you're not talking about the Bridgestone Potenza RE730s? If so there a Z-Rated tire and they were the first set of tires I bought for my GTP. Honestly I don't think there right for a FWD application. They were the worst tire i've ever owned on this car IMO. They were noisey, unpredictable in the rain or snow (damn near scary to drive past 50-60 MPH) and they didn't seem to get any better traction than the cheap Michelin Touring Tires on the car before. I was happy to wear them out by 20,000 miles. I could see them being good on a RWD application I guess, but on a GP, noooo.

[Fish]

If you know for a fact your are going to go street racing, you will empty little pidly stuff out of your car. You may not run slicks or spray VHT, but you arent gonna go with a baby seat and 2 12 cases of pop in the trunk.

Ill say I ran 13.9 with a HAI, DP, 3.5 and slicks. Cause thats what I ran. More then once. Its not the fastest thing around, but I put work into the car and take it to the track. Race prepping is easy, and free to do. I dont know why some people dont want to do it. Ive not done it and said I want to be close to street prep as possible. Bottom line, I was lazy.

[SyntheticShield]

My personal preference is with Shawn. Im not afraid to run slicks, in fact I would like to just to see what it would be like. But down and dirty, I want my track times to be representative of what I would run on the street.

I have never went out on the street with the intention of racing and while I'll play occasionally, I just am not the person to come home and decide Im going to go out and race and so I need to prep the car.

I personally just want to get in the thing, go drive, maybe have a little fun but know what I am capable of from having run laps at the track. Though my preference is to just go pay $25 and make laps down the track until Im blue in the face.

I have a good friend that races in the motorcycle top gas class, indexing at 9.90 on a dedicated drag bike, and has two other bikes on his team, one being a Hyabusa, so we just usually set a day to go out and make passes and have fun that way.

[GTPluv]

haha Fish. Empty out that car No straw wrappers weighing me down

[Iron Indian]

you arent gonna go with a baby seat and 2 12 cases of pop in the trunk.

Ummm, don't tell that to my GF... shes actully enjoys racing at the race track with 2 baby seats in the back seat! She likes embarrassing Mustang guys by beating them with a family car with baby seats. It actully kinda funny, I get a kick out of it myself.

As for me expecting a street race, why should I worry about unloading my car everytime I make a run and what not? I like the old saying run what you brung personally.

I have never went out on the street with the intention of racing and while I'll play occasionally, I just am not the person to come home and decide Im going to go out and race and so I need to prep the car.

I agree with this 100%. I think it would be dumb for me to go home and say, "ok my car runs XX w/ slicks, race gas, gutting, since i'm going out to look for racing tonight, i need to prep my car" Thats so stupid IMO. Almost ricerish.

I personally just want to get in the thing, go drive, maybe have a little fun but know what I am capable of from having run laps at the track.

I agree. It would be easier just knowing what the damn car is capable of, and simply hopping in it and taking a spin.

I used to be hard core into street racing, not anymore though. I quit for many reasons, especially since my job depends on me being a driver nowadays. Oh well, I had my fun.

[UR LOSN]

when the Chicago guys were up here this past year, or when the Jainesville gys came down...they had seriously prepped the roads. It all depends on how long you are willing to prep the road for a race.

last year it had taken up to 30min... but boy oh boy...did they launch. Stock Bottom End(9sec camaro) was able to pull the front tires off for a lil ways down the road.

[TDCRacing]

I don't think i've heard of those, are you sure you're not talking about the Bridgestone Potenza RE730s? If so there a Z-Rated tire and they were the first set of tires I bought for my GTP. Honestly I don't think there right for a FWD application. They were the worst tire i've ever owned on this car IMO. They were noisey, unpredictable in the rain or snow (damn near scary to drive past 50-60 MPH) and they didn't seem to get any better traction than the cheap Michelin Touring Tires on the car before. I was happy to wear them out by 20,000 miles. I could see them being good on a RWD application I guess, but on a GP, noooo.

no...thats the ones i'm talking about the 070's...they may be crap and i know people are wearing them out by 30000...so def. not the best bang for your buck...but maybe an alternative to slicks...i know for a fact they grip good on the street or track.....

[Fish]

I ran a few laps with my baby seat in the back as well. It did get a laugh, however it also got tossed out when I wanted to really get some times.

Everyone does little things at the track to prep. Hell, if you want to go that way, removing the headlight is ricerish. Laptops for tuning is ricerish since tuner is the new ricer term. We are all ricers.

As said before, different strokes. I go to the track to run the best time I can. I am not going to remove the seats or carpet, but I will clean the car out, remove the headlight, and use slicks.

[archemedes]

I could care less what my car runs on the street, the street isn't for racing. Since my cutlass is setup for drag racing and I can't gun it off the line on the street does that make it a ricer? (it has 2 front seats, no headliner, an aluminum dash, no carpet or heater box, only thing in the trunk is the battery and fuel cell)

[FoSHO99]

I can afford slicks but I'd rather spend something that I'll get the most enjoyment out and use a lot, like a powertuner or headers... When I get to the point that I have done all the modifications I can, then slicks. I don't usually go out much and talk to the racers, mostly ricers imo. I live right next to where they cruise and sit, so I usually get a few people pulling up next to me when going home. Since I don't talk to them much, rumors get around from seeing my times or who knows what that I have a 14.0 second car... I don't like it because other people try guaging how fast their car is compared to mine, or call bs on what i ran. That's why I won't do serious track prep on my car until it is cammed and IC'd.

I don't even know why we are debating this, it's more of a personal preference than anything. I want a street setup until I push the limits of my car with the m90.

[Street Wolf]

slicks will help you out a lot, but the e-brake? what do you mean by that?

why dont you just stand on the regular brake and hold the gas down like everyone else does?

^^^ yeah, regular brake does work fine, and slicks may hurt your trans, I would rather burn up some rubber than tear apart my trans

i wasent using the e brake for a brake before i launch...i was trying to use it so i could do a burnout. that is how i launch...1 foot on the brake and 1 foot on the gas

Wait wait wait wait wait...... did I just hear you all right? Did I seriously... just hear like, three or more people just tell this guy to stand on the FOOT brake....?


........ you do realize your Grand Prix is equipped with a 4T65EHD transmission which means your car is a FWD (FRONT WHEEL DRIVE)


Now.... why do we upgrade the FRONT brakes and not the rears if the fronts brakes are'nt the ones that do most of the stopping?


Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong... which I know I'm NOT...but.... if your holding the FOOT brake down what is that doing? I'm pretty sure the harder you hold the FOOT brake down the harder your FRONT BRAKES ON YOUR FRONT WHEEL DRIVE are going to try and keep your FRONT WHEELS ON YOUR FRONT WHEEL DRIVE from spinning?


Am I right? Right? Yes? I know.


Holy f**king crap.