oh i'm aware of the rust. Its a pain but whatever. Good thing about these is that once i put a rocker on it, it doesn't have to be perfect cause its covered! Its just under the fuel door thats gonna suck. And i'm gonna clean those up as well as i can, and i'll try the mothers, I've always used cheap wheel cleaner or degreaser to save cash but these are bad! They will be replaced once income tax comes in anyway! Then these will be winter wheels