Torque ltft don't seem right

[dsmuts]

I'm using torque and my ltft says 14.6 at idle and goes anywhere from 12-16 cruising. I think it's just torque but i could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

[Explicit_Spade]

Torque is a toy.

Get an aeroforce.

[fubar569]

Torque reads the same exact sensor and PCM data an aeroforce will.

If Torque is reading 14's...guess what...that's because that is what the PCM is calculating for your LTFT.

LOL @ Torque being a toy. cause you know...a 200 dollar gauge that can only display 1 or maybe 2 parameters at once with minimal (if any) logging capabilities is so much better.

I paid 30 bucks for my adapter & torque combined. I can accurately log 6 parameters at once (more with a longer interval) including KR and tweet/facebook/export to CSV. I can email it on the fly or upload to a webserver.

Lets see your fancy aeroforce do that...

If you can't afford HPTuners...Torque is your next best bet. period.

FWIW my LTFT are reading -10's or so on a ~15% blend of E85 at cruise. They lock somewhat close to 0 (-5 to +5) at full throttle but that's mostly a function of the leaner burn of the E85 causing the PCM to need to pull less fuel. It used to be upto -10 at 100% throttle

[dsmuts]

What's the neg? Is the pos lean? I've not messed with this stuff to much.

[Z34Phoenix]

Neg means your fueling is rich and that the computer is pulling fuel. obviously if the trims are positive, then the pcm is adding fuel to compensate for a lean condition.

if trims are +15% then in theory you can add 15% to your maf and be in balance. this is not always the case though... small steps. if i saw 15% i would do a 10% and test again.

fubar569: one thing that may justify the aeroforce over an app for droid is the refresh rate. i bought a ScanGauge II as a replacement for my 1st gen aeroforce when the screen went out... big mistake. even at the highest refresh it cant even compare to the aeroforce's refresh. i could have KR and never see it! the gauge style scaners are great as an addition to a full data logger

[fubar569]

Neg means your fueling is rich and that the computer is pulling fuel. obviously if the trims are positive, then the pcm is adding fuel to compensate for a lean condition.

if trims are +15% then in theory you can add 15% to your maf and be in balance. this is not always the case though... small steps. if i saw 15% i would do a 10% and test again.

fubar569: one thing that may justify the aeroforce over an app for droid is the refresh rate. i bought a ScanGauge II as a replacement for my 1st gen aeroforce when the screen went out... big mistake. even at the highest refresh it cant even compare to the aeroforce's refresh. i could have KR and never see it! the gauge style scaners are great as an addition to a full data logger

the refresh rate is limited by the adapter you buy as well. a high end adapter will refresh faster than an ebay cheapie but the ebay cheapie's resolution is fine for KR. I always see mine but then again i have a peak/hold gauge on my Torque dashboard specifically for KR. I have also limited the number of gauges, points im logging, as well as changed specific settings in torque to aid in data acquisition.

FWIW our PCM's are also slow as hell. the peak PIDs read per second on my dad's 02 Deville is about 10 times that of my 99 Park Ave.

[Slick2500]

My torque tells me I'm running -30* of timing, 9* of KR and 5.5 psi of boost. I don't think its right. Because if that was right I am pretty sure my engine would have gone boom by now.

[fubar569]

My torque tells me I'm running -30* of timing, 9* of KR and 5.5 psi of boost. I don't think its right. Because if that was right I am pretty sure my engine would have gone boom by now.

Either you're selecting the wrong PIDs or you're being sarcastic. either way can be fixed easily enough as problem exists between user and device.

and nice to see your little buddy likes your post too. hi spade! LMK when you want to actually upgrade. i'd still be more than happy to help you out

[Explicit_Spade]

Why do you have to be rude and assume that its an error between the user and the device rather than an issue with the application?

Let me know when you want to stop playing with toys.

[Hippo Machine]

Why do you have to be rude and assume that its an error between the user and the device rather than an issue with the application?

Let me know when you want to stop playing with toys.

It would most likely be a problem with the chinese bluetooth crap

[fubar569]

Why do you have to be rude and assume that its an error between the user and the device rather than an issue with the application?

because the application can only read what data you tell it to from the feed the hardware supplies it. period.

hippo pretty much nailed it.

[Explicit_Spade]

Let me call you back, I'm datalogging.

[fubar569]

looks like he's still bitter. that's fine.

i got a good idea of what parameter you can try to monitor with your aeroforce next and exactly where you need to plug it in to do so.

[Hippo Machine]

im half and half on this one, the app has good reviews from people that get it to work right, but android apps can be unstable, add that to the fact bluetooth adapters from china can have 0 quality control, and you can haz a mess

[Explicit_Spade]

I'm not bitter, I'm just not ignorant.

And go ahead and fill me in on this "parameter".


Fubar, do you know what the LS1M is? If not it did more than your little cell phone game does, and it is no longer around. There's a reason certain things last and others don't.

[nawarkk]

[Explicit_Spade]

For factual comparison LS1M

How fast does it scan?
Testing on LS1 cars has shown a scan rate of 330-350mS for 10 parameters (30 parameters per second), down to 50-70mS for a single parameter (20 times a second). The fewer parameters you select, the faster the scan time is. During wide-open-throttle (WOT), the response time is about 20% slower because the car’s computer is busy and doesn’t respond as quickly to scan tool requests.

I haven't found any information yet on the datarate of the Torque app or any bluetooth OBD2 transmitter, but I'll keep looking.

[Explicit_Spade]

Closest thing I've found so far, from Verizon

What are the basic Bluetooth® data rate specs?

Bluetooth has the capability to enable both voice and data (depending on the specific Bluetooth profiles included on the device). The voice channels typically operate at 64 kbit/s. The Bluetooth 1.0 data rates include an asymmetric data rate (one way) of 721 kbit/s (while permitting 57.6 kbit/s in the return direction); and a symmetric data rate of 432.6 kbit/s.

[FoSHO99]

My torque tells me I'm running -30* of timing, 9* of KR and 5.5 psi of boost. I don't think its right. Because if that was right I am pretty sure my engine would have gone boom by now.

97's.

[Slick2500]

97's.

What?