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    hmmm.... Now I'm not really sure about the statement that the GP doesn't use the VE table at all when the MAF is plugged in.

    Last night I plugged the MAF back in, got the GFS table and PE table back to were they where at and flashed my last version of the VE table. This is the only table that I've modified so far.

    Today I was scanning while driving to work and after around 20 minutes of driving (when the trims were relearned I assume), I suddenly started getting KR readings basically under any kind of acceleration and I had 0 KR before I even started tuning.

    here's a quick example:





    I'm not really sure what caused that condition, but my point is that the only thing I've changed so far was the VE table.

    On the way back from work I reflashed the PCM with the basick DHP tune and the KR was gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanmiguel View Post
    hmmm.... Now I'm not really sure about the statement that the GP doesn't use the VE table at all when the MAF is plugged in.

    Last night I plugged the MAF back in, got the GFS table and PE table back to were they where at and flashed my last version of the VE table. This is the only table that I've modified so far.

    Today I was scanning while driving to work and after around 20 minutes of driving (when the trims were relearned I assume), I suddenly started getting KR readings basically under any kind of acceleration and I had 0 KR before I even started tuning.

    here's a quick example:





    I'm not really sure what caused that condition, but my point is that the only thing I've changed so far was the VE table.

    On the way back from work I reflashed the PCM with the basick DHP tune and the KR was gone.
    Yeah what do we know...... Considering People ZERO out the Entire table with no changes. Looking at what little captured info is there you're lean according to the inaccurate Narrowband.

    Ive never touched my VE table. And my LFT's are between 3 and -3 during cruise 0 WOT and my AFR is a consistent 11.8-12.2 WOT.
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    Yeah I'm not really going to debate whether the VE table affects the trims or not, in any case you can reach your goal by doing either way. Which I had, my trims are well in the +-3 area, just need to get the ltfts to lock at 0 during WOT.

    I'm now moving on with the O2. I'm running very lean at WOT (i don't have a wideband) I'm getting an average of 800 which is way too lean.

    Which way is the best to enrich the AFR? I was thinking of just adding to the 7000-11500hz MAF table range by 3% increases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanmiguel View Post
    Yeah I'm not really going to debate whether the VE table affects the trims or not, in any case you can reach your goal by doing either way. Which I had, my trims are well in the +-3 area, just need to get the ltfts to lock at 0 during WOT.

    I'm now moving on with the O2. I'm running very lean at WOT (i don't have a wideband) I'm getting an average of 800 which is way too lean.

    Which way is the best to enrich the AFR? I was thinking of just adding to the 7000-11500hz MAF table range by 3% increases.
    either that or make sure your commanded or PE afr's are in your target range, or 11.3 or so? if it still doesn't help adjust your maf table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanmiguel View Post
    Yeah I'm not really going to debate whether the VE table affects the trims or not, in any case you can reach your goal by doing either way. Which I had, my trims are well in the +-3 area, just need to get the ltfts to lock at 0 during WOT.

    I'm now moving on with the O2. I'm running very lean at WOT (i don't have a wideband) I'm getting an average of 800 which is way too lean.

    Which way is the best to enrich the AFR? I was thinking of just adding to the 7000-11500hz MAF table range by 3% increases.
    800 readings at wot are normal with a narrowband.
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    narrowband should read 920 or above, But thats still guessing WOT fueling, Just get a wideband
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    Quote Originally Posted by 01gpgt01 View Post
    narrowband should read 920 or above, But thats still guessing WOT fueling, Just get a wideband
    you can't say that considering every car is going to read different. hell, the same car would read different with different sensors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio248 View Post
    you can't say that considering every car is going to read different. hell, the same car would read different with different sensors.

    Thats why we dont like to tune off of narrowbands WOT, but common pratice is getting the 02;s in the low 900's
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    Yeah I've increased the 7000+ MAF range by 3% a couple of times and the O2s are not getting any higher. They are at around 915's max and the AFR switches to 11.7 at WOT. I know wideband tuning is best, but I'm doing it like this for now.

    By the way, when I switch to a wideband, do I need the sensor only and the plug it into the powrtuner or do I also need the gauge thing?

    I left the O2s like that for now, I'm working on the timing table now. So basically what I'm doing now is starting with the stock timing tables and increasing them by 1 degree across the board until I see KR, right? But also keeping in mind that 20+ degrees at WOT is useless and also 37+ at cruise speeds.

    I don't think I'm getting any where close to those timings anyway. I was using the 1.5 DHP timing tables when I was doing the fuel trims and as soon as I got the trims in target I started getting KR in all engine load ranges. I had to switch the timing tables back to stock.
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    I think I'm getting there on the timing and I should be done tuning for my current setup next week thanks to you guys, then on the track to try it out. I hope I drop at least half a second.

    I have a couple more questions: What is the max IPW on stock injectors? I have 15.9 IPW at 5,500 RPM. I think I read the max is 19 IPW at 6k RPM. Do you think they can still handle a 3.1 pulley once I go intercooled?

    Last question is, the GFS table compares RPM vs Mg/cylinder, what parameter on the scantool measures "Mg/cylinder"?
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