Thread: Why is there still KR?

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 68
  1. #1 Why is there still KR? 
    GTX Level Member Andrew_99GTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    New Salem, ND
    Posts
    763
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I am helping a friend tune his car and we finally got to the point were his trims are looking pretty good. So we though would check out his WOT. He has some KR which we didn't think was too bad and could be tuned out. But then we looked at his O2's. With them being that high can we really give the car more fuel to get rid of the kr? He is planning on getting a W/B.

    His main mods are 3.1" pulley, P&P m90 & N*, TOG headers, ZZP S2 IC, 1.9rr, 42.5 inj, I think that is all?

    BTW his fueling is all stock other than the maf table which has the LQ4 maf table uploaded to it. How can he be getting KR with his O2's being that high, I thought this was a relatively safe setup?

    http://www.scandepot.net/viewscan.php?pk=5063
    Red 2dr 99 GTP"Old" Z7 t66, A/A IC'd, Custom Heads, 65# Inj, ST2 Cam, Meziere Elec Pump, JP Double Roller(with machined crank gear), Plogs, PLX W/B, Powrtuner SOLD

    "New" 2007 Duramax ccsb with a few mods
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2. #2 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    SE Level Member lightfoot__'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    North Dakota
    Posts
    41
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I say let the tune learn for a week then go back and see. Plus in this one it was all about the car hitting 3rd gear, no KR in second.
    Old specs **Alt. rewire - Custom CAI - 3.15-3.4-3.5 MPS - NGK TR6 - PT Tuning In Progess - Ported S-Charger - DPP Headers - Custom 3" exhaust - SSIC**
    Reply With Quote  
     

  3. #3 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    GT Level Member shaferz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Forrest IL
    Posts
    155
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I personally would pull a few degree's of timing and try to get the fueling back to a more reasonable level. My car reacted better to a leaner a/f than to advanced timing.

    99 GTP = 12.936 @ 112.12 2.16 60'
    06 TBSS = STOCK
    07 GXP = STOCK - ordering SSC's
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #4 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    GTX Level Member Andrew_99GTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    New Salem, ND
    Posts
    763
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    That is stock timing.
    Red 2dr 99 GTP"Old" Z7 t66, A/A IC'd, Custom Heads, 65# Inj, ST2 Cam, Meziere Elec Pump, JP Double Roller(with machined crank gear), Plogs, PLX W/B, Powrtuner SOLD

    "New" 2007 Duramax ccsb with a few mods
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #5 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    Bastard Reptile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Kansas City, MO
    Posts
    3,459
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    2
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    It looks a little too rich with a big IC. Too much fuel can also cause KR.

    I'd first check TM setting for third, it's common for it to kick in when you are in third-fourth, but that there can still be tuned out fairly easy if you know where to look.

    Just my opinion though.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #6 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    TDCRacing
    Guest
    if all of the fueling is stock then that injector table needs to be fixed for the addition of the larger injectors...if you didnt already.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #7 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    TDCRacing
    Guest
    also may have to do a tps re-learn on that northstar if you didnt already...i see it was reading 99.60 % at what i am assuming is suppose to be wot?...may want to test it out while scanning with the key in the run position and look at idle tps% and wot tps%



    one persons was reading 50% tps at wot with his aftermarket tb setup....did the relaern and it fixed it...


    or it may have something to do with scan depot because i am lacking the fimiliatary with that program



    also raise those shift points to around 5900 (compleated shift) as the sweet spot in the power band will most likely be in that area with the 1.9's...the sweet spot being after the shift is compleat and the rpm's drop back down
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #8 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    Bastard Reptile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Kansas City, MO
    Posts
    3,459
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    2
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by TDCRacing View Post
    if all of the fueling is stock then that injector table needs to be fixed for the addition of the larger injectors...if you didnt already.
    I didn't even catch that....
    definitely need to skew back the injectors if that hasn't been done.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #9 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    TDCRacing
    Guest
    and...lol...fwiw im running 910-920's for o2's and i have basicly the same setup.still not done tuning though


    Thanks brian! lol
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #10 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    TDCRacing
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by lightfoot__ View Post
    I say let the tune learn for a week then go back and see. .


    X2 at least for a cupple days...lots of restarts and time will do it....


    my ltft's were 0.8 cupple days later there at 2.3 in pe
    Reply With Quote  
     

  11. #11 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    SE Level Member lightfoot__'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    North Dakota
    Posts
    41
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I have some limited knowledge of the car in question.

    if all of the fueling is stock then that injector table needs to be fixed for the addition of the larger injectors...if you didnt already.
    He means after adjusting for injectors and the maf for the LQ4 (If thats the right model #).

    So is reptile's name Brian too? Cause that's me!
    Old specs **Alt. rewire - Custom CAI - 3.15-3.4-3.5 MPS - NGK TR6 - PT Tuning In Progess - Ported S-Charger - DPP Headers - Custom 3" exhaust - SSIC**
    Reply With Quote  
     

  12. #12 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    GTX Level Member Andrew_99GTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    New Salem, ND
    Posts
    763
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    The injectors have the 42.5 table uploaded. The car will get a couple days to learn becuase I work this weekend and won't beable to tune.
    Red 2dr 99 GTP"Old" Z7 t66, A/A IC'd, Custom Heads, 65# Inj, ST2 Cam, Meziere Elec Pump, JP Double Roller(with machined crank gear), Plogs, PLX W/B, Powrtuner SOLD

    "New" 2007 Duramax ccsb with a few mods
    Reply With Quote  
     

  13. #13 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    TDCRacing
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by lightfoot__ View Post
    I have some limited knowledge of the car in question.


    He means after adjusting for injectors and the maf for the LQ4 (If thats the right model #).

    So is reptile's name Brian too? Cause that's me!
    What do you mean? what u said didnt make sense to me...and yes reptiles name is brian lol
    Reply With Quote  
     

  14. #14 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    GTX Level Member Andrew_99GTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    New Salem, ND
    Posts
    763
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I just kind of skimmed through the TM files and didn't really find a table that jumped out that would help shift kr. What table are you talking about Brian?

    Kind of an off topic question but have any of you ever messed with the "max engine torque for upshift" table? I hope it is labeled similar in the HPT files.
    Red 2dr 99 GTP"Old" Z7 t66, A/A IC'd, Custom Heads, 65# Inj, ST2 Cam, Meziere Elec Pump, JP Double Roller(with machined crank gear), Plogs, PLX W/B, Powrtuner SOLD

    "New" 2007 Duramax ccsb with a few mods
    Reply With Quote  
     

  15. #15 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    SE Level Member lightfoot__'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    North Dakota
    Posts
    41
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    hehe someone wants to pop a transmission

    What do you mean? what u said didnt make sense to me...and yes reptiles name is brian lol
    The table for 42lb injectors and the maf table for the new throttle body is in the tune on the car, it is not running uber rich from a stock tune on new bigger injectors like you were thinking.
    Old specs **Alt. rewire - Custom CAI - 3.15-3.4-3.5 MPS - NGK TR6 - PT Tuning In Progess - Ported S-Charger - DPP Headers - Custom 3" exhaust - SSIC**
    Reply With Quote  
     

  16. #16 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    TDCRacing
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew_99GTP View Post
    Kind of an off topic question but have any of you ever messed with the "max engine torque for upshift" table? I hope it is labeled similar in the HPT files.


    Well not being fimiliar with dhp that sounds like the table that you need to modify to get rid of any torque management...witch causes the kr during shifts so maybe not as off topic as you thought.


    maybe this will help you...If i remember correctly in hpt the tables for tm are...maximum torque> rpm vs. gear, vs gear, vs. rpm and spark retard > vs. torque reduction ( this table is the table you will zero out...what this does is disable any spark related tm all the other tables that i mentioned you will want to increase the value to...thus increasing the amount of torque Before the pcm retards any spark


    go ahead and post all the tm tables you have available and i will try to figure it out...but that sounds like it..



    can u take screen shots? if so post a cupple of those up


    the tm tables excluding should be triple digit numbers that increase with rpm or in some cases gear. stock shold be around 258-384 and for the spark related timing it should only be double digit numbers ranging from 0-50


    you should have 4 tables for tm and then another 3 tables for tm under the tcs tab...yes? or no?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  17. #17 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    TDCRacing
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by lightfoot__ View Post
    hehe someone wants to pop a transmission


    The table for 42lb injectors and the maf table for the new throttle body is in the tune on the car, it is not running uber rich from a stock tune on new bigger injectors like you were thinking.
    got ya
    Reply With Quote  
     

  18. #18 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    GTX Level Member Andrew_99GTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    New Salem, ND
    Posts
    763
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    haha apparently pt and hpt are nothing alike in how the tables are names and located. I have torque management under fuel, spark, and transmission. TDC how does HPT work, can you tune any 3.8 car now? Or do you have to buy credits for every car you want to tune?

    Here is a screen shot of all the files.

    Red 2dr 99 GTP"Old" Z7 t66, A/A IC'd, Custom Heads, 65# Inj, ST2 Cam, Meziere Elec Pump, JP Double Roller(with machined crank gear), Plogs, PLX W/B, Powrtuner SOLD

    "New" 2007 Duramax ccsb with a few mods
    Reply With Quote  
     

  19. #19 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    GrandPrix Junkie Sabrewings's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Barksdale AFB, LA
    Posts
    4,879
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I just looked at my file and I don't have that table. Mine stops at "Brake_Torque_Limit".
    2004 Impala LS - got some mods sold!!!
    2009 Subaru Impreza WRX STI

    NAIOA moderator Still Imp'n, just in a different Imp.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  20. #20 Re: Why is there still KR? 
    GTX Level Member Andrew_99GTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    New Salem, ND
    Posts
    763
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    yea I have some bin files that don't have it either. I notice there is quite a bit of files different from year to year also.
    Red 2dr 99 GTP"Old" Z7 t66, A/A IC'd, Custom Heads, 65# Inj, ST2 Cam, Meziere Elec Pump, JP Double Roller(with machined crank gear), Plogs, PLX W/B, Powrtuner SOLD

    "New" 2007 Duramax ccsb with a few mods
    Reply With Quote  
     

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •