natural gas injection for diesel

[SgtMarshal]

a friend of mine was telling me about a natural gas injection kit he could get for his ford f250 diesel. he said it would improve fuel economy and make more power, but I told him it couldn't because natural gas has a lower btu rating than diesel. am I right or is he right?

[theaceofspades]

No you can do it. A lot of people run propane in their diesel

[ItHurtz]

ace doesnt read, apprently nobody does

yes you are right, NG is almost half the btu of diesel. only thing that is close is jet fuel

[industrialfish]

Reading is fundamental.

E85 has %72 percent of the BTUs of gasoline, so that must mean E85 can't make more power eh?

The CNG engines can make a ton more power because even though natural gas has way less power, you can cram a ton more into a cylinder needing only enough diesel to reach combustion and ignite the gas.

You can also get better "MPGs" at highway cruising speed because diesel is being substituted for another much cheaper fuel even if you need 2x as much to keep the same power.

The kits are not cheap, are difficult to install and tune for, and unless you drive 100k highway miles a year, it's simply not worth it.

[Timing]

Reading is fundamental.

E85 has %72 percent of the BTUs of gasoline, so that must mean E85 can't make more power eh?

Yea but what do people get with e85? 10 mpg? Sure it costs less but that doesnt increase your mpg it increases your cost per mile and at the rate your still spending more money.

[industrialfish]

Yea but what do people get with e85? 10 mpg? Sure it costs less but that doesnt increase your mpg it increases your cost per mile and at the rate your still spending more money.

The point with that comparison was that less energy doesn't mean less power.

[SgtMarshal]

I looked up the octane rating for CNG, turns out its like 120+ so it could make more power. I dont know a lot about diesels, can you advance the timing like gas cars to make more power? I dont think it is more efficient, but CNG costs like 1.50 a gallon so it is a lot cheaper than diesel.

[industrialfish]

It's not more efficient at all, but if you can run 25% diesel + %75 CNG you still save some money on fuel if you are not loading down the engine, like when cruising on the highway.

Or you can increase HP by injecting a lot of CNG, with enough diesel to ignite it. But you can't get the best of both worlds.

[theaceofspades]

ace doesnt read, apprently nobody does

yes you are right, NG is almost half the btu of diesel. only thing that is close is jet fuel

The point is j know guys who run propane

[stealthee]

Google is your friend

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[Scottydoggs]

water injection has also been done for like ever too.

[theaceofspades]

water injection has also been done for like ever too.

My buddy runs that in his 700hp cummins

[Scottydoggs]

My buddy runs that in his 700hp cummins

see theres proof lol its supposed to keep cylinder temps in check and let it make more power.

you can do it in a car too. i guess it kinda works like meth injection.

[theaceofspades]

see theres proof lol its supposed to keep cylinder temps in check and let it make more power.

you can do it in a car too. i guess it kinda works like meth injection.

Well it's water meth in his diesel it's wicked ****. And I can post a link to a turbo e30 that loves it's meth. That's how it keeps intake temps down for power

[PurpleGuy]

I didn't read any of this. It works though. It helps burn the diesel more completely thus the improvement in power/economy.