Thread: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 28
  1. #1 Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    SE Level Member 6 Shooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    5th Wheel Living
    Posts
    11
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0


    Nearly two-thirds of Pontiac owners and almost three-fourths of Saturn drivers defected from General Motors Co. to other automakers when they bought new vehicles last year.

    The Detroit automaker jettisoned Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer as part of its bankruptcy restructuring in 2009, but hoped to keep most of the buyers of those brands in the GM family.

    GM "knew by cutting these brands they were going to lose market share and they have," said analyst Jesse Toprak of online data firm TrueCar.com in Irvine, Calif.

    "But higher sales numbers doesn't always equal profits," said Toprak, adding that GM will be better off in the long run by making its four surviving brands more profitable.

    The Detroit automaker is wooing owners of its defunct brands in hopes they will transfer their loyalty to Chevy, Buick, GMC or Cadillac when they buy a new vehicle. There are about 3 million Pontiacs, Saturns and Hummers on U.S. roads.

    But GM faces a tough battle in the competitive automotive industry, where customers lured from competitors are called conquests — converts who are considered critical to helping automakers gain and preserve market share.

    While GM reports some success — Chevrolet, for example, is a top choice for many Pontiac and Saturn owners — a majority of those customers are defecting to rival brands, including Honda, Toyota and Nissan.

    In 2010, GM retained 36 percent of Pontiac owners who bought new vehicles, as well as 26 percent of Saturn and 39 percent from Hummer, according to California-based research firm J.D. Power & Associates.

    That's far below the 55 percent retention rate for GM's Chevrolet brand, as well as under the industry average of 48 percent.

    To keep these customers from straying, the automaker has worked to connect them with alternate GM dealers for their service needs and regularly keeps in touch with special promotions, said Julie Heisel, GM's director of customer lifecycle management.

    The automaker has rolled out one-year free maintenance offers and invited customers to test drive new GM cars and trucks.

    "The size of owner base is very important to us," Heisel said. "And we want to do everything possible to retain these owners."

    In March 2010, GM began offering Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer owners $1,000 off a new GM vehicle — a deal still in place today. GM extended the $1,000 offer to all current GM customers in January and February, hoping to keep them loyal.

    Analysts and investors, at the time, criticized GM for the move, which they viewed as falling back into the old habit of pushing sales numbers over profits. The discounts, they said, also contributed to flat North American earnings for the first quarter of this year, compared with the first three months of 2010.

    GM has since dropped many discounts to keep incentive spending in line with the rest of the industry.

    Reply With Quote  
     

  2. #2 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    GTX Level Member tod1d's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Winnipeg, MB
    Posts
    1,337
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I will buy another Pontiac, 6000 that is for $400, to hell with brand new vehicles again

    2007 Pontiac Grand Prix
    http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2990036
    L26, CAI, HV3, ER Rockers, PLOG, Overkill Tune, flipped dog bones
    Reply With Quote  
     

  3. #3 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    Donating Users alkygto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    wentzville
    Posts
    737
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Would'nt you rather drive a Buick? NO.

    1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
    1969 Pontiac GTO
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #4 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    Perma-Banned! JK LOL Explicit_Spade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    7,921
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    This article is pro-import propaganda. Noone can prove the facts given.

    And yes I would rather have a Buick than most imports. Look at the 2012 Regal GS and get back to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by W-Body Store
    Remember, GM engineers didn't take into account your need for speed.
    Daily Driver: 06 Grand Prix GT / 9.4:1 CR / IS3 Heads / Ported Gen V / ZZP Headers / HPT Pro / Pulleys: 4.25, 3.8, 3.5, 3.4, 3.2, 3.0, 2.9, 2.7
    Projects: 86 Monte Carlo SS / 98 Sonoma / 74 Honda CB750
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #5 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    GTP Level Member whitehead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Posts
    1,080
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I would much much MUCH rather buy an American brand vehicle then an Asian one. GM still has my business, do I agree with everything they did? Do I think they should have instead dumped Buick but kept Pontiact? Yes, but they were just trying to save there own ass. Im not going to hold it against them for trying to keep themselves afloat. So no worries GM, I still want a Camaro
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #6 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    GXP Level Member txslow6's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    2,652
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    If I purchase a new vehicle it will be a Mustang. GM doesn't really offer anything appealing to me. The Regal comes close, but I'm turned off due to it being a 4 cylinder.
    85 Corvette
    01 TA
    03 Z06
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #7 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    GTX Level Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Cleveland Heights, Ohio, United States
    Posts
    1,007
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    If I buy a new car I would get a Used G8, if they come out with a new designed RWD Monte Carlo, I'll crawl back with my money and credit
    1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GT
    1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
    2008 Buick Lacrosse Super
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #8 We went from a Pontiac to a Lincoln on our last vehicle purchase... 
    SE Level Member 6 Shooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    5th Wheel Living
    Posts
    11
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0

    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #9 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    GrandPrix Junkie NegativeOne13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    3,306
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Personally, I think they should have dropped Buick as well. Their luxury/sporty line is covered by Cadillac... why not sell lower end Cadillacs as Buicks? Granted, I'll never own a brand new vehicle but my next vehicle will probably be a GP. The only vehicle outside of the GP that GM owns that I care for is either a Chevy Silverado or Cadillac CTS-V. But still can't justify a Chevy Silverado when Ford is slamming huge gains with the 3.5 EcoBoost. And I really dislike the newly badged G8s.... looks like a sissys car without that crest on it.

    And smile it's Blacktooth Grin!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #10 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    SE Level Member hklvette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Christiansburg, VA
    Posts
    74
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I'm not too excited with much of GM's current offerings either, especially in the sub-35k range. That said, I don't plan on getting rid of the GP for quite a long time.
    '05 silver GTP, '98 Cherokee, '78 M880, '70 M35A2

    "Drag racing is for fast cars. Autocross is for fast drivers."
    Reply With Quote  
     

  11. #11 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    SE Level Member Streetfire gtp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Back to NJ
    Posts
    57
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I'd still pick a Camaro or a Corvette over a mustang any day. I do own a Honda along with my GM cars, but that's because I got a good deal on it. I don't really want to support foreign production so when I went to buy a new car I bought a Chevy.
    If we make eye contact, especially at a red light, we are racing pal!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  12. #12 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    I live here. SlowNA06's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Posts
    5,928
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Streetfire gtp View Post
    I'd still pick a Camaro ...over a mustang
    If you're referring to new stuff... Man those Mustangs are much nicer than Camaros. Old stuff... all depends. But with new cars, Mustangs and CTS-V's (okay, yeah, Corvettes) are where it's at in American muscle.
    Irridium spark plugs last 100k mi and work just as well as copper. Copper is a waste on N/A and only lasts 15k mi. Don't use Platinum.
    Use 195* tstat unless you can thoroughly explain why not; 99.9% don't need a lower temp.
    Almost any oil filter, ever, is of higher quality than ACDelco. Spend $6+.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  13. #13 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    SE Level Member LePrix's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Ottawa, ON
    Posts
    93
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Saturn and Hummer deserved their fates, especially Hummer. It was very sad to see Pontiac go, but I don't think it should have been Buick or any other brand in its place. Pontiac is with Olds now, but i'm sure there are a ton of G6 coupes, Grand Prixs, G8s and Bonnevilles that are siting in old men's garages waiting for private sales down the road so I amd looking up about that.

    If I had the money to buy a new car, $30,000-40,000, i'd still go with GM, I love everything they come out with, i'd take an Impala over a Charger anyday, but yes I agree, the new Mustangs and Challengers look so much better than the Camaro, hopefuly the next generation will be more promising.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  14. #14 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    The Blue One blueguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Dirtyzville, Missery
    Posts
    31,287
    Thanks (Received)
    1
    Likes (Received)
    2
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    These threads are dumb.

    No matter what you do or say...GM isn't going to listen to the "public"

    That's obvious after the past decade.
    Sold WBody's: '03 Blue GTP/'98 Green GTP/'98 Silver GT/'05 GXP
    '99 Chevrolet Silverado Classic Z71 4x4 - K&N Intake/Gibson Exhaust #TRUCKTHINGS
    '12 Buick Regal Turbo - ZZP CAI/20% Tint/HID's
    '89 Ford Mustang LX Notchback - LM7 5.3, 4L80, 9", HX40
    '04 Chevrolet Corvette MRM A4/LS1 - TSP LT's, 3"O/R X, AFE S2 CAI
    Reply With Quote  
     

  15. #15 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    I live here. SlowNA06's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Posts
    5,928
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by LePrix View Post
    Saturn and Hummer deserved their fates, especially Hummer.
    Is this something you heard some hobo shout before hurling an empty bottle of MD20/20 into traffic while pissing himself?
    Irridium spark plugs last 100k mi and work just as well as copper. Copper is a waste on N/A and only lasts 15k mi. Don't use Platinum.
    Use 195* tstat unless you can thoroughly explain why not; 99.9% don't need a lower temp.
    Almost any oil filter, ever, is of higher quality than ACDelco. Spend $6+.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  16. #16 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    Donating User Odi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Chicago South Suburbs
    Posts
    5,928
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    1
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Considering veicles that are made using american parts/in america are not the classic american brands anymore (honda accord and toyota camry for example is around 80% american vs chevy cruze thats 80% korean), id rather buy something else.

    The Cars.com American-Made Index - Cars.com
    2001 GT Special Edition - 208k miles, junkyard status. Part out in progress.
    2015 Mazda Mazda3 S Touring - 39000 miles, bone stock.
    Questions regarding LED's, headlights, HID's, taillights and more!? Click here.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  17. #17 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    GTP Level Member whitehead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Posts
    1,080
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    I would take a Camaro over a Mustang any day. Especially when the ZL1 comes out. Challengers a boat, and the Mustang is well.... a Mustang.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  18. #18 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    SE Level Member LePrix's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Ottawa, ON
    Posts
    93
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by SlowNA06 View Post
    Is this something you heard some hobo shout before hurling an empty bottle of MD20/20 into traffic while pissing himself?
    The H1 was cool, then they jacked the price and came out with the H2, burns as much gas as a Suburban but is half as useful and the H3....

    Some of the very last Saturns looked great, even the Ions but what I meant by "deserved" was that Saturn destroyed its image over the last decade so badly that it just couldn't be saved.

    Olds and Pontiac were just a shame.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  19. #19 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    GTP Level Member 2001goldGTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    california
    Posts
    656
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by bluegtp91 View Post
    These threads are dumb.

    No matter what you do or say...GM isn't going to listen to the "public"

    That's obvious after the past decade.
    decade? try like 30 years,

    in GM america, gm tells you what to drive.

    they should just import the intire hodlen line and fix it
    xp'd
    Reply With Quote  
     

  20. #20 Re: Saturn, Pontiac owners reject GM 
    GT Level Member Remnant King's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    416
    Thanks (Received)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    0
    Dislikes (Received)
    0
    Just because I bought a Pontiac or an American doesn't mean I am going to stay loyal to them my entire life.


    Whether it's a Grand Prix, or a Camaro, a Camry or a 350Z, I am going to buy what I find to be the best fitting for me.
    Reply With Quote  
     

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 10
    Last Post: 12-22-2011, 03:34 PM
  2. New member and first time Pontiac Grand Prix owner (first pontiac ever)
    By Lexiconix in forum Introductions/Noob Questions
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 11-10-2010, 09:45 PM
  3. SE owners
    By Lvgrandprix2003 in forum 3.1L V6 (LHO/LG8)
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-23-2010, 05:35 AM
  4. A MUST see for '97-'03 owners!!!
    By Purple Plazma in forum Brakes/Suspension/Chassis
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 11-30-2009, 08:24 AM
Tags for this Thread

View Tag Cloud

Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •